Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(December’s finally arrived, and the run-up to Christmas has begun. Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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    anyone else spent their saturday looking for gas turbine datasheets? no?

    anyway, the bad, no good, haphazard power engineering of crusoe

    neoclouds on top of silicon need a lot of power that they can’t get because they can’t get substation big enough, or maybe provider denied it, so they decided that homemade is just as fine. in order to turn some kind of fuel (could be methane, or maybe not, who knows) into electricity they need gas turbines and a couple of weeks back there was a story that crusoe got their first aeroderivative gas turbines from GE https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/data-centers-turn-to-ex-airliner-engines-as-ai-power-crunch-bites this means that these are old, refurbished, modified jet engines put in a chassis with generator and with turbofan removed. in total they booked 29 turbines from GE, LM2500 series, and some other, PE6000 from other company called proenergy* and probably others (?) for alleged 4.5GW total. for neoclouds generators of this type have major advantage that 1. they exist and backlog isn’t horrific, the first ones delivered were contracted in december 2024, so about 10 months, and onsite construction is limited (sometimes less than month) 2. these things are compact and reasonably powerful, can be loaded on trailer in parts and just delivered wherever 3. at the same time these are small enough that piecewise installation is reasonable (34.4MW per, so just from GE 1GW total spread across 29)

    and that’s about it from advantages. these choices are fucking weird really. the state of the art in turning gas to electricity is to first, take as big gas turbine as practical, which might be 100MW, 350MW, there are even bigger ones. this is because efficiency of gas turbines increases with size, because big part of losses comes from gas slipping through the gap between blades and stator/rotor. the bigger turbine, the bigger cross-sectional area occupied by blades (\~r^2), and so gap (\~r) is less important. this effect is responsible for differences in efficiency of couple of percent just for gas turbine, for example for GE, aeroderivative 35MW-ish turbine (LM2500) we’re looking at 39.8% efficiency, while another GE aeroderivative turbine (LMS100) at 115MW has 43.9% efficiency. our neocloud disruptors stop there, with their just under 40% efficient turbines (and probably lower*) while exhaust is well over 500C and can be used to boil water, which is what any serious powerplant does in combined cycle. this additional steam turbine gives about third of total generated energy, bringing total efficiency to some 60-63%.

    so right off the bat, crusoe throws away about third of usable energy, or alternatively for the same amount of power they burn 50-70% more gas, if they even use gas and not for example diesel. they specifically didn’t order turbines with this extra heat recovery mechanism, because, based on datasheet https://www.gevernova.com/content/dam/gepower-new/global/en_US/downloads/gas-new-site/products/gas-turbines/gev-aero-fact-sheets/GEA35746-GEV-LM2500XPRESS-Product-Factsheet.pdf they would get over 1.37GW, while GE press announcement talked about “just under 1GW” which matches only with the oldest type of turbine there (guess: cheapest), or maybe some mix with even older ones than what is shown. this is not what serious power generating business would do, because for them every fraction of percent matters. while it might be possible to get heat recovery steam boiler and steam turbine units there later, this means extra installation time (capex per MW turns out to be similar) and more backlog, and requires more planning and real estate and foresight, and if they had that they wouldn’t be there in the first place, would they. even then, efficiencies get to maybe 55% because turns out that these heat exchangers required for for professional stuff are huge and can’t be loaded on trailer, so they have to go with less

    so it sorta gets them power short term, and financially it doesn’t look well long term, but maybe they know that and don’t care because they know they won’t be there to pay bills for gas, but also if these glorified gensets are only used during outages or otherwise not to their full capacity then it doesn’t matter that much. also gas turbines in order to run efficiently need to run hot, but the hottest possible temperature with normal fuels would melt any material we can make blades of, so the solution is to take double or triple amount of air than needed and dilute hot gases this way, which also means these are perfect conditions for nitric oxide synthesis, which means smog downwind. now there are SCRs which are supposed to deal with it, but it didn’t stop musk from poisoning people of memphis when he did very similar thing

    * proenergy takes the same jet engine that GE does and turns it into PE6000, which is probably mostly the same stuff as LM6000, except that GE version is 51MW and proenergy 48MW. i don’t know whether it’s derated or less efficient still, but for the same gas consumption it would be 37.5%

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      You’d think that they’d eventually run out of ways to say “fuck you, got mine” but here we are I guess. I’m going to guess that they’re not subject to the same kinds of environmental regulations or whatever that an actual power plant would be because it’s not connected to the grid?

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        why wouldn’t they be subject to emission controls if they’re islanded? anyway they aren’t islanded, they’re using gas turbines to supplement what they can draw from substation or the other way around, either way it’s probably all synchronized and connected, they just put these turbines behind the meter

        i guess they’re not subject to emission controls because they’re in texas and anything green is woke, so they might just not do any of that and vent all the carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides these things belch. also, no surprises if they fold before emaciated epa gets to them, if republicans don’t prevent it outright that is

        welcome to the abyss, it sucks here

        i mostly meant to point out that it looks like they prioritized delivery speed and minimum construction, while paying top dollar for extra 50-70% fuel so it makes sense short term, and who cares what comes in two years when they’re under. this also means they bought out all gas turbines money can buy. if marine diesels weren’t so heavy these would be next

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    Yud explains, over 3k words, that not only is he smarter than everyone else, he is also saner, and no, there’s no way you can be as sane as him

    Eliezer’s Unteachable Methods of Sanity

    (side note - it’s weird that LW, otherwise so anxious about designing their website, can’t handle fucking apostrophes correctly)

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      Ah, prophet-maxxing. ‘they have no hope of understanding and I have no hope of explaining in 30 seconds’

      The first and oldest reason I stay sane is that I am an author, and above tropes. Going mad in the face of the oncoming end of the world is a trope.

      This guy wrote this (note I don’t think there is anything wrong with looking like a nerd (I mean I have a mirror somewhere, so I don’t want to be a hypocrite on this), but looking like one and saying you are above tropes is something, there is also HPMOR)

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      Handshake meme of Yud and Rorschach praising Harry S Truman

      From the comments:

      I got Claude to read this text and explain the proposed solution to me

      Once you start down the Claude path, forever will it dominate your destiny…

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      Does this mean calibre’s use case is a digital equivalent of a shelf of books you never read?

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      https://awful.systems/post/5776862/8966942 😭

      also this guy is a bit of a doofus, e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/853934, where he is a dick to someone reporting a bug, and https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/885027, where someone points out that you can execute anything as root because of a security issue, and he argues like a total shithead

      You mean that a program designed to let an unprivileged user
      mount/unmount/eject anything he wants has a security flaw because it allows
      him to mount/unmount/eject anything he wants? I’m shocked.

      Implement a system that allows an appilcation to mount/unmount/eject USB
      devices connected to the system securely, then make sure that system is
      universally adopted on every linux install in the universe. Once you’ve done that, feel free to
      re-open this ticket.

      i would not invite this person to my birthday

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        I was vaguely aware of the calibre vulnerabilities but this is the first I’ve actually read the thread and it’s wild.

        There were like 11 or so Proof of Concept exploits over the course of that bug? And he was just kicking and screaming the whole time about how fine his mount-stuff-anywhere-as-root (!!?) code was.

        I’m always fascinated when people are so close to getting something-- like in that first paragraph you quoted. In any normal software project you could just put that paragraph as the bug report and the owners would take is seriously rather than use it as an excuse for why their software has to be insecure.

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        Yud’s whole project is a pipeline intended to create zizians, if you believe that Yud is serious about his alignment beliefs. If he isn’t serious then it’s just an unfortunate consequence that he is not trying to address in any meaningful way.

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          fortunately, yud clarified everything in his recent post concerning the zizians, which indicated that… uh, hmm, that we should use a prediction market to determine whether it’s moral to sell LSD to children. maybe he got off track a little

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          A belief system that inculates the believer into thinking that the work is the most important duty a human can perform, while also isolating them behind impenetrable pseudo-intellectual esoterica, while also funneling them into economic precarity… sounds like a recipe for delicious brownies trouble.

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            Growing up in Alabama, I didn’t have the vocabulary to express it, but I definitely had the feeling when meeting some people, “Given the bullshit you alreasy buy, there is nothing in principle stopping you from going full fash.” I get the same feeling now from Yuddites: “There is nothing in principle stopping you from going full Zizian.”

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      Most insane part about this is after he assaulted the treasurer(?) of his foundation trying to siphon funds for an apparent terror act, the naive chuckle fucks still went and said “we dont think his violent tendencies are an indication he might do something violent”

      Like idk maybe update on the fact he just sent one of his own to the hospital??

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      Is it better for these people to be collected in one place under the singularity cult, or dispersed into all the other religions, cults, and conspiracy theories that they would ordinarily be pulled into?

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    New preprint just dropped, and noticed some seemingly pro AI people talk about it and conclude that people who have more success with genAI have better empathy, are more social and have theory of mind. (I will not put those random people on blast, I also have not read the paper itself (aka, I didn’t do the minimum actually required research so be warned), just wanted to give people a heads up on it).

    But yes, that does describe the AI pushers, social people who have good empathy and theory of mind. (Also, ow got genAI runs on fairy rules, you just gotta believe it is real (I’m joking a bit here, it is prob fine, as it helps that you understand where a model is coming from and you realize its limitations it helps, and the research seems to be talking about humans + genAI vs just genAI)).

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      So, I’m not an expert study-reader or anything, but it looks like they took some questions from the MMLU, modified it in some unspecified way and put it into 3 categories (AI, human, AI-human), and after accounting for skill, determined that people with higher theory of mind had a slightly better outcome than people with lower theory of mind. They determined this based on what the people being tested wrote to the AI, but what they wrote isn’t in the study.
      What they didn’t do is state that people with higher theory of mind are more likely to use AI or anything like that. The study also doesn’t mention empathy at all, though I guess it could be inferred.

      Not that any of that actually matters because how they determined how much “theory of mind” each person had was to ask Gemini 2.5 and GPT-4o.

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      I clicked as I was curious as to what markers of AI use would appear. I immediately realised the problem: if it is written with AI then I wouldn’t want to read it, and thus wouldn’t be able to tell. Luckily the author’s profile cops to being “AI assisted”, which could mean a lot of things that just boil down to “slop forward”.

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        The most obvious indication of AI I can see is the countless paragraphs that start with a boldfaced “header” with a colon. I consider this to be terrible writing practice, even for technical/explanatory writing. When a writer does this, it feels as if they don’t even respect their own writing. Maybe their paragraphs are so incomprehensible that they need to spoonfeed the reader. Or, perhaps they have so little to say that the bullet points already get it across, and their writing is little more than extraneous fluff. Yeah, much larger things like sections or chapters should have titles, but putting a header on every single paragraph is, frankly, insulting the reader’s intelligence.

        I see AI output use this format very frequently though. Honestly, this goes to show how AI appeals to people who only care about shortcuts and bullshitting instead of thinking things through. Putting a bold header on every single paragraph really does appeal to that type.

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          Also endless “its not X— its Y,” an overheated but empty style, and a conclusion which promises “It documents specific historical connections between specific intellectual figures using publicly available sources.” when there are no footnotes or links. Was ESR on the Extropians mailing list or did plausible string generator emit that plausible string?

          Chatbots are good at generating writing in the style of LessWrong because wordy vagueness based on no concrete experience is their whole thing.

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          Could be part of its RLHF training, frequent emphasized headers maybe help the prediction engine stay on track for long passages.

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    2 links from my feeds with crossover here

    Lawyers, Guns and Money: The Data Center Backlash

    Techdirt: Radicalized Anti-AI Activist Should Be A Wake Up Call For Doomer Rhetoric

    Unfortunately Techdirt’s Mike Masnick is a signatory some bullshit GenAI-collaborationist manifesto called The Resonant Computing Manifesto, along with other suspects like Anil Dash. Like so many other technolibertarian manifestos, it naturally declines to say how their wonderful vision would be economically feasible in a world without meaningful brakes on the very tech giants they profess to oppose.

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      i am pretty sure i am shredding the Resonant Computing Manifesto for Monday

      and of course Anil Dash signed it

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        The people who build these products aren’t bad or evil.

        No, I’m pretty sure that a lot of them just are bad and evil.

        With the emergence of artificial intelligence, we stand at a crossroads. This technology holds genuine promise.

        [citation needed]

        [to a source that’s not laundered slop, ya dingbats]

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      all things aside, is current ghostty any good, or still an audiophile consolephile-ware?

      i’m generally reluctant to try something which reeks of intensive self-promotion, but few months ago i decided to finally see what’s the hype about, and, well, it’s a terminal emulator.

      wezterm does much more, and with a much cleaner ui, and it’s programmable, and the author doesn’t remind me that hashicorp is a thing that exists.

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        been giving it a whirl for a few weeks now and greatly enjoying it. one or two minor snags I still need to solve (such as back-kill-word not working in search, just haven’t looked into it yet) but otherwise fairly pleased

        and I no longer have to see the stupid iterm2 update nag every damn day

        config.keys and hot reload are nice

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          I believe he was trying to explain why it looked like MIRI had paid money out to an alleged sexual abuser. The analogy was constructed something like this:

          1. A and B work at a company C
          2. A has conflict with B.
          3. C decides to fire B.
          4. unrelated to 1, 2, or 3, B has a wife D, who dies in mysterious circumstances, leading A to strongly believe that B killed D.
          5. The police, E, perform an investigation and decide not to pursue a case against B
          6. C pays out B’s severance, unrelated to 2, 4, or 5.

          Don’t blame me or how I remembered this if this doesn’t make sense.

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            Additionally he said something to the effect of I don’t blame you for not knowing this, it wasn’t effectively communicated to the media like it’s no big deal, which isn’t really helping to beat the allegations of don’t ask don’t tell policies about SA in rat related orgs.

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        “Nah, salary stuff is private”, starting to think this sort of stuff is an idea introduced to protect capital and nobody else.

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        Cinnas

        The Rolling Stone article is a bit odd (it appears to tell the story of the ex-employee who created Miricult twice, the first time without names and the second naming the accuser) but I trust them that MIRI did pay the accuser. Rolling Stone are a serious news organization which can be sued.

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          Yeah, I think Rolling Stone was worried about getting sued and omitted Helm’s name in the first draft (or something like that).

          I know who the alleged victim was, and I think there probably was a crime and blackmail payments but the alleged victim didn’t want to come forward for a number of reasons (among other things, he’s still part of the rationalist community and has faced a lot of harassment from the public after an unrelated newspaper article outed him as being trans). I’d also point out that the only person that miricult directly accused of statutory rape was one of Yudkowsky’s employees rather than Yudkowsky himself. That being said, the journalist who wrote the Rolling Stone article claims she got a copy of the police report Helm filed and only Yudkowsky was named.

          Even if miricult was total bullshit I’m confident that the alleged victim was lying about not being victimized by other rationalists; a few years later he and a couple of other people posted accounts of being sexually abused by a rationalist (unrelated to miricult) and it led to the abuser being ostracized from the rationalist community.

          Anyways I know a lot more about this but I’d rather not discuss it on a publicly viewable forum to protect the privacy of the people involved.

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            I agree that its gross to discuss a lot of this in public, and that underage sex is often an ethical grey area. I had no idea that the person who accused BD of pushing him into substance use and extreme BDSM scenarios is also the person who allegedly had sex underage with a MIRI staffer while living in a Rationalist group home.

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              Ziz’s blog had posts that revealed his identity and mentioned some of the BD stuff, once I found them it was just a matter of putting two and two together, so to speak