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Wait until you hear about Christians’ conflicts with other Christians! Also a lot of Islamist terror is directed at Muslims who follow Mohammed’s teachings the wrong way.
Was flabbergasted when I found out that there was a straight up murderous hate between different sets of Christianity. You can tell the book is the perfect word of a divine being, since it spawned so many different mutually exclusive interpretations
I dont think any Christian who has a sliver of religious education considers the bible to be the word of God. For starters some of the Gospels that are canon already start with an explanation that this is a recollected account. Then there is other chapters like the letters to the Romans and so on. As for the Torah it is also clear that it is containing some revelations but also a lot of interpretation and chronicles.
This is fundamentally different to the Quran, which we Muslims believe to be the word of God as revealed to the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) and preserved in full and in the original Arabic language. Also Muslims are obliged to treat Christians and Jews (people of the book) kindly and respectfully, unless persecuted or attacked by them.
Christians don’t believe that the Bible is the literal spoken word of God. Jesus is The Word.
We believe in “divine inspiration” that everything written in it is appointed to be written by God through human authors - that God intended for man to write and compile it. But in reality it’s 65 separate works.
The Bible is more of a parallel to Mohammed and Jesus moreso a parallel to the Qur’an if you compare them.
The vast majority of denominational split is over Church structure. The Bible isn’t really clear on how to run a Church or the very specifics (classic one: when Jesus said “this is my body”, how do we interpret that?) yet it’s quite clear over the important issues- that Jesus, who is God, died for the remission of sins.
I think that’s more relevant. The differeny Christian denominations worship the same God, rather than Muslims and Jews
I’m always weirded out by this because… I mean, from my perspective it’s a made up deity anyway, so the idea that they’re all worshiping the same one seems a bit needless to me, like nerds trying to reconcile stories from different authors into the same canon.
It’s not like they concede that any other deities or metaphisical constructs are more real just because they aren’t nominally based on the same entity. These are all exclusive, monotheist religions.
It’s because they all have the same origin. They can’t say they’re different gods, because it’s still their same story they just add or don’t add extra parts on top.
Islam was started by a pagan guy who liked Christian and Jewish theology. So he grafted some stuff in. (Some pagan stuff was also added in like the Kaaba and black stone).
Christianity and Judaism have such different concepts of God that Who they worship isn’t really comparable.
So starting from a schizophrenic as the lineal foundation resulted in a three headed god concept never contained in any canonical part of their book, the mulligan do-overs completely disconnected from their ancient ways, and the other brother magic tripping LSD globe trotter of the desert. Does that surprise anyone. What is surprising to me is that something so obviously nonsense is still so accepted.
I view it as slightly better than that interpretation. The Old Testament is what links the three. The interesting thing about the Old Testament is that it was written over a few thousand years starting around the time of two major historical events that could have precipitated what would look like a potential “apocalypse,” to anyone at the time.
The Green Sahara period had just come to an end, denying Egypt what I would imagine was a substantial breadbasket for the Egyptian, and possibly Assyrian Empires. That event may not have directly caused The Bronze age collapse, but they happened quickly enough together, that I would imagine it was a factor.
So in a period of a few hundred years, a savannah that had plentiful game and foraging turned into the largest desert in the world. The Levant went from a seemingly temperate mediterranian climate, aka “the promised land,” to a desert mediterranian climate. All the empires that you know of just collapsed in a period of 150 years. You might just get a bit superstitious, and borrow some ancient creation myths to write down the “history” of your people.
Lots of cultures did this. We know from archeological evidence that the Israelites weren’t ever in Egypt, so everything up to, and including Moses, was made up to try to teach their descendants how to live in this new horrible dying world. It’s just absolute random chance that the Israelite texts survived long enough to spawn the other two belief systems.
There is no archaeological evidence to say the Israelites weren’t in Egypt. In fact, quite the contrary
I’m not going to entertain the fiction of “Christian Scientists.” Show me a real archeological expedition that showed any Israelite pottery in Egypt. There are none. All Israelite pottery and artifacts that have been found, have been in the Levant. They also do not share any similarities to Egyptian pottery or artifacts, and do share iconography with Cannanite pottery and artifacts.
I watched your misinformation video and they presented nothing but supposition.
Why would a captured slave people be producing their own pottery, exactly?
The old testament shows Egyptian influences- Moses’ name is Egyptian, the Ark of the Covenant is Egyptian in design. There is a lack of archeological expeditions either in this field. I don’t really know how you’d definitively prove this.
Ask Jews and Muslims if they believe in the trinity. It’s not the same god.
They all claim to believe in the god of Abraham so they are stuck with each other while disagreeing on fundamental stuff.
The Trinity isn’t actually fundamental, it’s just a syncretic cope. The fundamentals are the same, everyone who doesn’t believe in your god is subhuman and deserves to be conquered for their “own good” but at least they aren’t women.
It is a fundamental. Christians worship Christ as God - which Muslims believe just to be merely a prophet and Jews believe to be a sorcerer and a blasphemer.
Muslims dont think Mohammed was the son of God, but he’s treated with at least the same amount of reference Christians reserve for Jesus. The difference is just in name, the practice is very much the same.
So Mohammed is worshipped as God?
Yes, they just dont call him that
Wonder how the muslims who criticise us for worshipping a Man will feel about your comment, lol
Religion has a tendency to cause cognitive dissonance. Many christians (depends on the denomination of course) don’t realize that they way they talk about satan is not that different from how polytheistic religions treat some gods.
Except they don’t have the same god… Christians believe in a triune God which Jesus is the incarnation of, something muslims and modern day Jews completely reject, as they are unitarians.
“The one true god” is not the same god as “The one true god”, or even “The one true god”
Lmao
They are all monotheists. Doesn’t mean they believe in the same “one true god”, just that they have their own separate "one true god"s
Yes we all know that religious people are stupid pedants
slanders religious people
Calls them “stupid pedants” when they attempt to make a defence
Well the god is still the same entity. Looking how the christians and muslim use the old testament nad Jesus bring a prophet/messiah.
Christians believe Jesus is God. So it’s not the same entity.
The God christians believe in is the same Jews and Muslims believe in. Christians just believe God decided to show themselves in 3 different forms to us humans while the others don’t believe they did. Doesn’t change the fact it’s the same God.
You can see it as Movies: You got Part 1:
- The Torah: The Old Testament. Than you got the sequel:
- The Bible: The New Testament. And finally a remake:
- The Koran: Taking from both and adding it’s own twist to it.
But they are all based in the same cinematic universe.
The three different forms thing isn’t the trinity, that moreso describes modalism which oneness pentecostals believe.
The Old testament is written by loads of people, generally noted down oral tradition, kingdom records, prophecies, etc.
The new testament is written by a bunch of guys who witnessed Jesus and they’re writing down what they saw, as well as letters these guys sent.
The Qur’an is some guy who had a hallucination in a cave where he thinks god told him to marry 9 women including a six year old. Also just full on claims the bible and torah are scripture yet flat out contradicts them while claiming they’re legit. Retcons a lot of stuff and Also claims Jews worship Ezra for some reason which literally never happens.
Muslims worship a god who tells them to marry multiple women and says you have to earn your way into heaven. Also believes that god never became man.
Christians worship a God who became Man and died for the sins of all, promising eternal life by grace.
Jews like to follow loads of rules and believe that the God Christians worship wasn’t actually God at all.
If cousin A were to say “I worship the one true god, he has four arms and two legs”
If cousin B were to say “I worship the one true god, he has two arms and four legs”
And cousin C were to say “I worship the one true god, he has no arms or legs”
They’re clearly worshipping a different god. If all three of them claimed it’s the same god that their deceased grandfather worshipped, still doesn’t mean it’s the same god. Either they’re all wrong or only one is correct.
In the same way that a splice off of a plant isn’t the same plant… The plant it was spliced off of is the same plant, though.
If you plant it again, it isn’t the same plant. Just because Christians, Jews and Muslims claim to have the same creation literature (The Muslims even have a completely different narrative about Abraham) doesn’t mean it’s the same god.
Jews don’t give a shit, it’s the Christian’s and Muslims who make the wars
Umm. Palestine?
Oh right. Not a war. Just a genocide.
I don’t fall for Hamas propaganda. Israel is right 🥰
You’re an evil scumbag and I wish your mum to get firebombed by some US allies. I wish you to see your beloved running out of what used to be your house, screaming in pain, desperately trying to remove the termite out of what used to be her face, but that shit’s sticky.
It’d only be justice, really