Summary
The Biden administration will allow California to ban new gas-powered car sales by 2035, with 11 other states following. This uses a Clean Air Act waiver permitting stricter state-level pollution controls to curb greenhouse gas emissions.
Trump plans to revoke the waiver, roll back EV tax credits, and fight California’s climate policies, potentially sparking legal battles.
California, leading the U.S. in EV adoption, aims to “Trump-proof” its agenda, bolstered by automaker deals and strong market influence.
The ban could accelerate EV investments, shaping nearly half of the U.S. auto market and global climate policy trends.
The “states rights” people surely will be happy about this!
2035 is so far away, it’s basically just postering at this point.
It makes a difference - corporations move and adapt slowly. They now know in 10 years, the ICE market will probably be completely dead in big chunks of the US market, and if they aren’t competitive by then they’ll lose a lot of market share
It’s not enough to sell electric models by 2035 - they need to be established as good electric manufacturers by then. It’ll push them to move the electric transition forward, either giving up on hydrogen or speeding up their plans
It’s not the greatest timeframe, but it’s not nothing
According to this article, some automotive companies have already stopped further research and development on ICE engines.
https://www.hotcars.com/car-companies-no-longer-investing-in-ice/
People used to say that about 2025 too
Just posturing is right. Why not in 5 years? Why wait til we can almost name a new generation of adults?
“Will allow.”
Can’t prevent.
Even if forced to “sell” them, CA still controls which vehicles may receive title and registration.
still controls which vehicles may receive title and registration.
And what the registration fees/taxes are, ez pz loophole, just make the registration fee 50k for all gas vehicles or some shit lmao
What is Elon going to do? Sell cars or kiss Trump’s ass?
Why not both?
Introduce a hypothetical Tesla Backcountry, Elon’s “unique” solution for people with range anxiety. Instead of worrying about charge stations, the Backcountry can be recharged at any old gas station by filling it up with “liquid x power,” which the car burns to recharge its battery while running. It’s not a hybrid, it’s electric /s
This just made me think of Petrol electric vehicles, more specifically the Ferdinand/Elefant. Knowing how flammable Teslas already are I feel like a gas powered one would be outright explosive.
I didn’t see anything in the article about this, but does the regulation also ban hybrid vehicles? Just curious.
It would be a bit funny if like… Chevy bolt = cool, Chevy volt = illegal
So the state can ban the sale? Ban the usage? What exactly can they ban?
They can restrict the sale and the registration (license plate/tabs) of new gas cars within the state. Someone can still go to another state to buy one, but they can’t get a CA plate for it. And that’s on top of trying to figure it how to get insurance coverage for it.
So essentially its a law that only effects the poor who cant afford to get out of state sale/rego/insurance?
Yeah, the poor who buy brand new cars.
If everyone could get easy, cheap car insurance outside of their home state or region, don’t you think it would be a widespread phenomena already?
Exactly its a law that only effects the poor
They’re talking about new vehicles only. Used gas cars will still be available for purchase.
They can ban the sale. They can also refuse to register the car, so no license plate. You’d get in a fair amount of trouble if caught driving an unregistered vehicle.
Most people can’t afford EVs anyway. At this point, there will just be older and older gas-powered vehicles on the road.
Would love it if Musk could actually solve a fucking problem every once in a while, instead of running his mouth about the hundred other things he claims to have a solution to. Make a functional and cheap EV, no stupid bells and whistles, no gimmicks.
I know there are other car manufacturers, but they are too concerned about the bottom line. Musk effectively has more money than god. He can afford to take a loss for the greater good. He just never will.
PS the average new car is $47k. Please tell me how that $55k EV with the $7.5k tax rebate is expensive?
Source: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/average-new-car-price-tops-47000/
I have never in my life purchased a new car. They are too expensive. Most normal people that I know also have only ever bought a car from a used car lot. I have always considered leasing a car to be throwing away money. So, like a lot of people, I drive beaters that I can actually afford.
The $55k might be reasonable compared to the average new car, but look around you on the road. Lots of 7+ year old cars…most people can’t afford $55k with or without a rebate. I know that is just the price of doing business, and nothing is likely to suddenly cost $10k. But for the average person, this just means driving their fossil fuel burning car longer until they can figure something out.
Most people can’t afford EVs anyway
Well yeah, most people buy used cars. But a used ev of a given year is likely to be in a similar price range as a comparable gas engine car. The question is, is there sufficient availability of used electric cars? From the sound of it, there will be in CA by 2035. Certainly, if everyone buying new cars is buying electric, then the number is used EVs available will skyrocket.
And either way, I’m sure this regulation is about new cars, nobody is going to stop you from buying a used 2025 civic in 2035, that’s fine. I mean the car already exists, it would be environmentally negligent to replace it as long as it still runs. You just can’t buy a new ice car after that.
I’m curious though, does this regulation ban hybrids?
nobody is going to stop you from buying a used 2025 civic in 2035, that’s fine
This is what I meant, cars already in circulation having longer lives. I frankly don’t know anything about used EVs, but plenty of people I know can list reliable gas powered cars that will run for incredibly long times with a little love. We need EVs to be manageable cars of the people that can be maintained at home on a budget and not proprietary dealerships.
It wasn’t my aim to discredit the bill, only to complain that Musk is useless and will line his pockets before actually creating something that is useful for the public.
But the thing is, you’ll also be able to buy a 2025 Tesla in 2035, and the price probably won’t be far off from the civic. In other words, there’s no problem here.
Except Honda and those Civics have established a reputation of running forever. Tesla cannot claim the same.
So the taxi duty Teslas with 1,000,000+ miles don’t count?
So, used prices go up more?
I can’t see any issues with the pending affordability among people who can not afford a $60k plus car in a car dependent nation like the states…
The solution is public transit. Climate change will hurt the poor even more.
How’s that transit in California doing?
When was the last time any US state expanded its public transit…
I don’t really care for this given the trend of newer car design.
I want to support the environment and all, but an EV car is going to be even worse than an ICE car with having everything controlled by touchscreens and collecting data that the car companies sell off to the highest bidder. It’s harder (if not impossible to customize or repair since the whole thing is based on proprietary software, and the average mechanic isn’t a software engineer.
Why can I just have an EV with a damn button for volume and AC controls?
everything controlled by touchscreens and collecting data that the car companies sell off to the highest bidder
This has nothing to do with the engine type. This is a (valid) concern about new cars. But citing it as a reason to avoid EVs is misplaced.
Fair enough. Maybe my concern is more with newer cars in general.
Its a reason to avoid all new cars as a whole. That and all the unnecessary crap like motorized seats, LED headlights, or cruise control. Also I really dont need my car to be able to communicate with anything not actively plugged into it.
Are there affordable EVs being mass-produced that do not suffer from an overabundance of touch-based controls?
Hyundai and GM / Chevy are the two biggest examples of automakers producing affordable EVs with traditional buttons and knobs. Audi, BMW, and Porsche are all moving back in that direction, but generally those aren’t in the affordable category you mentioned.
Recent articles suggest many automakers swinging back towards the physical control side of the spectrum. It’s a very good thing, touchscreens for basic auto controls was a terrible idea.
Needs to happen!
