The chickens weren’t doing the coke. I think.

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    The “nothing goes to waste” argument just ignores the victims life though. They did not want to die.

    Also seems like a pretty easy solution then to just eat the killed bird and bing bang bosh: cock fighting is morally justified.

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      i Look at it this way. All life gets eaten by something eventually, so consumption itself can’t be immoral.

      Causing suffering to the living certainly can be.

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        All life gets eaten by something eventually, so consumption itself can’t be immoral.

        Yeah we are not talking about the consumption part, we are talking about the killing part. If you find a dead squirrel or deer, it’s not immoral to eat them. Ending someone’s life against their will is though, it doesn’t really matter what your intentions are.

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          What if someone ran over that dead deer. They killed it. Is it okay to eat a dead thing if someone else kills it?

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            Intention is what you’re looking for. It is immoral to intentionally kill someone.

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              I appreciate you sharing your moral perspective with me.

              Do you have any fringe cases where intentionally killing someone is morally justified?

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                There is probably cases where you could try to morally justify anything (like in a survival situation I guess?) but I personally would try to abstain from killing under any circumstance.

                The morals around eating animals are luckily not that vague. You do not need animal products to live (say all major dietician organizations) so the only reasons people are eating meat is out of habit or for taste. And pleasure does not justify killing a sentient being.

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                    All major dietician organizations agree that living on a plant based diet can be healthy during any stage of life including infancy, pregnancy, etc

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          there is no proof nonhuman animals understand personal mortality, so we can’t say they have a will to live

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            A toddler or a mentally disabled person can’t understand morality. I wouldn’t personally kill and eat those.

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              comparing mental disabled people to children is insulting. comparing them to animals is fucking gross.

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                I did not compare them, they just have the trait you claimed was the justification for killing animals. Humans are animals and a subset of us have the trait you described. I just pointed out that is not a good justification.

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      Yeah, it’s such a prevalent attitude but I agree it doesn’t hold water.

      I suspect being unaware of the amount of unnecessary suffering in meat production probably plays a role too.