I don’t think anyone doubts furries are nice people. The issue is the perceived degeneracy. Most people assume, from media mostly, that furries are fulfilling a sexual component of their lives when they become their fursona. This is reinforced by niche furry sexual fetish art and memes online that get signal boosted either by the creator themselves or by trolls trying to generate more furry hate. That juxtaposition of (again, perceived by normies) sexuality with what appears to be child friendly mascot play, makes people super uncomfortable. That, and the off-brand fursuits and people somehow identifying with a blue fox with anime eyes is pretty different and people hate different.
Yeah, I can see that. The weird thing is, why the fuck are others giving a shit about what the fuck I do? It turns the conversation on its head when you ask what they are into.
I’m a fur for the happy cuddly sfw stuff, but I also want to bury my knot in an adorable subby boy too. I went all-in on both halves of the fandom basically as soon as I found out about it, and I’ve never been apologetic or put up with any shaming. And there’s nobody who would pass up the opportunity to double their penis length and girth, grow a thick knot, have badass razor-sharp teeth, jaw muscles to go with it, can hunt and defend themselves without any outside object assisting them, and also have the aura that comes with it, just walk in the room and the mood immediately shifts. At least, no top/dom. I’m sure bottoms/subs are out there that want to feel helpless and vulnerable. But subs aren’t the people that are being little bitches about what I do in my bedroom.
furries get a lot of psychological safety out of embracing animalistic traits in all contexts. Speech is extremely difficult for me and being able to “awooo arf x3 wuf bark!” my way through normal day to day conversations with partners is such an inexplicable relief that I hope people with a passing understanding of neurodivergence can empathize.
For as beneficial as these things are in normal day to day life, it would in fact be far weirder if it didn’t extend to the bedroom too. Like play-gnawing a partner to say “I love you” and then getting to the bed with them and just saying “ok for this one thing in particular I am a normal human who doesn’t howl!!!”
Idk it makes me kinda uncomfortable tbh, so maybe my insight is useful here? Not that I’d stop them from doing their thing in private or at a con I won’t be attending, but I would like to stay as far away from that shit as possible personally. Here’s my reasons, some of which of course won’t apply to every furry, like all groups they’re not really a hivemind, but…
-The anonymity is cool, but to a degree anyone in a mask or full suit (be it a shiesty, clown costume, etc) outside of common events like Halloween immediately makes me a bit wary, sure probably nothing will happen but also if they do commit some crime they’ll be harder to identify out of that costume. The only benefit furries have over others here is the cost of those suits, that’d be an expensive costume to have to ditch, but at a con they can blend in in the suit (“Idk the guy who stabbed me was like…some blue dog or wolf thing, goddammit.” Lol)
The fact that they insist it isn’t sexual, when it clearly is at least for many. It gives me the same “don’t involve me in your kinks” feeling like if I saw a dominatrix and her sub licking her heels in a McDonalds, and the fact that for many it is sexual means that the ones that are “just for fun” get caught in that crossfire and make me feel that same gross feeling. Again not kink shaming, just non consensually involving the public in your kinks shaming, as consent is important.
The fact that everyone wants to be an animal and for many that is sexual is uhh…not not creepy. It’s sorta pseudobeastiality even if those people say “well I don’t really want to fuck a real dog” ok sure, I actually do believe that, but it’s still uncomfortably close and I wouldn’t be surprised of some of them do.
It seems to have some overlap with the contingent of online people that like to call themselves wolfkin and stuff, like vulpine.club or whatever that masto instance was. I’m not sure how much overlap, but I have seen some creepy shit posted from the individuals there, and the complete lack of reality those people live in is maybe not bad but it is startling and makes me uncomfortable. Again, I agree with their right to do it, but I blocked the instance, ykwim.
That’s basically it. Again I’m not saying let’s hunt them down lol, I’m just saying I don’t want to be involved at all whether it is or isn’t sexual, and sharing my personal feelings on why it makes me uncomfortable especially when out of place.
Edit: OH I can’t believe I forgot to list the biggest reason!
An insignificant portion of furries are actual literal nazis. Like, not “was there in '33” nazis, but neonazis that literally idolize those people, wear armbands, I’ve seen nazi uniforms that are somehow fucking big enough to fit on a fox mascot suit (must’ve belonged to Göring, or maybe Sgt. Schultz), etc. So like, that’s fucking weird too.
The fact that they insist it isn’t sexual, when it clearly is at least for many. It gives me the same “don’t involve me in your kinks” feeling like if I saw a dominatrix and her sub licking her heels in a McDonalds, and the fact that for many it is sexual means that the ones that are “just for fun” get caught in that crossfire and make me feel that same gross feeling. Again not kink shaming, just non consensually involving the public in your kinks shaming, as consent is important.
Okay, but when do you see people in fursuits just walking around in public? I can’t think of a time. I don’t think they are involving people in their kinks. Not most of the time anyway.
I mean it only happened once so far, but it was still weird, and it seems to have happened to others as well since I’ve heard others talk about running into furries in public. Just because it hasn’t happened to you doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened to anyone y’know?
But how does this compare to “I don’t care what they do in their own bedroom, but I don’t want to see two men holding hands or kissing in public?” Because it really doesn’t feel much different to me. Was the person you saw simulating sex at the time or just wearing a fursuit?
They were doing that “cute anime girl” type thing, idk, so maybe? Frankly, to refer back to my dominatrix example, I don’t care if say this guy that comes up when you search “guy licks boot on subway” insists it’s not sexual it’s just because he has an oral fixation and I’m just sexualizing it, the people who do it sexual reasons have ruined it for him and it now carries connotations of a sexual nature. So a furry doing odd egirl type shit in public, whether they think it’s sexual or not, comes off as such and gives me the creeps. It is what it is.
Gay people can also go way too far with sexual shit in public, there’s actually a huge debate within the community about whether or not kink should be at pride events for example, and I’d say wearing a whole furry suit is more akin to wearing leather or latex BDSM gear than “holding hands or kissing,” and your example is frankly disingenuous.
This. People should be allowed to wear what they want. Even revealing things. It’s not a crime to have a sexy/ugly/fat/average body. People should learn to ignore what people look like and focus more on their behaviour and values. Focusing on the attire makes people freak out because DIFFRENT!
Yeah, I really don’t get it. It hurts no one for those people to just exist in public spaces. I’m only surprised the “what about the children?!?” card wasn’t played.
If people want to go out in public like this, I don’t see the problem. I probably won’t stand there watching them, but it’s not like I stand there watching people in general.
They’re not spreading any body fluids around, everyone is consenting, I’m just not seeing the deal here.
It’s not unnecessary, you brought it up! Why do you specify gay people kissing or holding hands then in your previous comment? Unnecessary to you right back then. So much “no u.” You can’t direct a conversation towards gay people just to claim that the guy replying is unnecessarily talking about gay people, that one is on you.
But yes, straight people, like MY ORIGINAL DOMINATRIX/SUB EXAMPLE, and the video I sent of the man licking a woman’s boot, can also do creepy stuff. Try and keep up. Jfc, you have your sights set on trying to pin me as a homophobe so bad you can’t see that I’ve been the one talking about straight people doing the creepy shit all along while you brought up the gay angle.
And because involving people in your kinks against their will is creepy whether your bits are showing or not, exhibit A: man licks boot on subway. Just do that shit in private (or private enough public locations, like a bar, con, club, etc). There’s places for that, the subway, park, store, whatever, ain’t it.
Why do you specify gay people kissing or holding hands then in your previous comment?
Why do you think I specified it? To show the bigotry you aren’t aware you have.
you have your sights set on trying to pin me as a homophobe so bad you can’t see that I’ve been the one talking about straight people doing the creepy shit all along while you brought up the gay angle.
No, I am showing how you are being the same as homophobic bigots with people who have other ideas of what attracts them. If you said something racist about Asian people and I compared you to someone who said something racist about Native Americans, that would be an apt comparison.
And because involving people in your kinks against their will
Do you not have a neck? Do you not have eyelids? No one is forcing you to look at someone in dominatrix gear if they’re out in public. This is ridiculous prudishness.
exhibit A: man licks boot on subway. Just do that shit in private (or private enough public locations, like a bar, con, club, etc). There’s places for that, the subway, park, store, whatever, ain’t it.
Why? Because you don’t like to look at it?
I don’t like to look at sweaty, shirtless middle-aged guys walking around when it’s too hot. It disgusts me when I see it. Should my disgust be catered to or should I just put on my big boy pants and cope?
I don’t think anyone doubts furries are nice people. The issue is the perceived degeneracy. Most people assume, from media mostly, that furries are fulfilling a sexual component of their lives when they become their fursona. This is reinforced by niche furry sexual fetish art and memes online that get signal boosted either by the creator themselves or by trolls trying to generate more furry hate. That juxtaposition of (again, perceived by normies) sexuality with what appears to be child friendly mascot play, makes people super uncomfortable. That, and the off-brand fursuits and people somehow identifying with a blue fox with anime eyes is pretty different and people hate different.
Yeah, I can see that. The weird thing is, why the fuck are others giving a shit about what the fuck I do? It turns the conversation on its head when you ask what they are into.
I’m a fur for the happy cuddly sfw stuff, but I also want to bury my knot in an adorable subby boy too. I went all-in on both halves of the fandom basically as soon as I found out about it, and I’ve never been apologetic or put up with any shaming. And there’s nobody who would pass up the opportunity to double their penis length and girth, grow a thick knot, have badass razor-sharp teeth, jaw muscles to go with it, can hunt and defend themselves without any outside object assisting them, and also have the aura that comes with it, just walk in the room and the mood immediately shifts. At least, no top/dom. I’m sure bottoms/subs are out there that want to feel helpless and vulnerable. But subs aren’t the people that are being little bitches about what I do in my bedroom.
furries get a lot of psychological safety out of embracing animalistic traits in all contexts. Speech is extremely difficult for me and being able to “awooo arf x3 wuf bark!” my way through normal day to day conversations with partners is such an inexplicable relief that I hope people with a passing understanding of neurodivergence can empathize.
For as beneficial as these things are in normal day to day life, it would in fact be far weirder if it didn’t extend to the bedroom too. Like play-gnawing a partner to say “I love you” and then getting to the bed with them and just saying “ok for this one thing in particular I am a normal human who doesn’t howl!!!”
That would be fucking weird right?
Idk it makes me kinda uncomfortable tbh, so maybe my insight is useful here? Not that I’d stop them from doing their thing in private or at a con I won’t be attending, but I would like to stay as far away from that shit as possible personally. Here’s my reasons, some of which of course won’t apply to every furry, like all groups they’re not really a hivemind, but…
-The anonymity is cool, but to a degree anyone in a mask or full suit (be it a shiesty, clown costume, etc) outside of common events like Halloween immediately makes me a bit wary, sure probably nothing will happen but also if they do commit some crime they’ll be harder to identify out of that costume. The only benefit furries have over others here is the cost of those suits, that’d be an expensive costume to have to ditch, but at a con they can blend in in the suit (“Idk the guy who stabbed me was like…some blue dog or wolf thing, goddammit.” Lol)
The fact that they insist it isn’t sexual, when it clearly is at least for many. It gives me the same “don’t involve me in your kinks” feeling like if I saw a dominatrix and her sub licking her heels in a McDonalds, and the fact that for many it is sexual means that the ones that are “just for fun” get caught in that crossfire and make me feel that same gross feeling. Again not kink shaming, just non consensually involving the public in your kinks shaming, as consent is important.
The fact that everyone wants to be an animal and for many that is sexual is uhh…not not creepy. It’s sorta pseudobeastiality even if those people say “well I don’t really want to fuck a real dog” ok sure, I actually do believe that, but it’s still uncomfortably close and I wouldn’t be surprised of some of them do.
It seems to have some overlap with the contingent of online people that like to call themselves wolfkin and stuff, like vulpine.club or whatever that masto instance was. I’m not sure how much overlap, but I have seen some creepy shit posted from the individuals there, and the complete lack of reality those people live in is maybe not bad but it is startling and makes me uncomfortable. Again, I agree with their right to do it, but I blocked the instance, ykwim.
That’s basically it. Again I’m not saying let’s hunt them down lol, I’m just saying I don’t want to be involved at all whether it is or isn’t sexual, and sharing my personal feelings on why it makes me uncomfortable especially when out of place.
Edit: OH I can’t believe I forgot to list the biggest reason!
Okay, but when do you see people in fursuits just walking around in public? I can’t think of a time. I don’t think they are involving people in their kinks. Not most of the time anyway.
I mean it only happened once so far, but it was still weird, and it seems to have happened to others as well since I’ve heard others talk about running into furries in public. Just because it hasn’t happened to you doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened to anyone y’know?
But how does this compare to “I don’t care what they do in their own bedroom, but I don’t want to see two men holding hands or kissing in public?” Because it really doesn’t feel much different to me. Was the person you saw simulating sex at the time or just wearing a fursuit?
They were doing that “cute anime girl” type thing, idk, so maybe? Frankly, to refer back to my dominatrix example, I don’t care if say this guy that comes up when you search “guy licks boot on subway” insists it’s not sexual it’s just because he has an oral fixation and I’m just sexualizing it, the people who do it sexual reasons have ruined it for him and it now carries connotations of a sexual nature. So a furry doing odd egirl type shit in public, whether they think it’s sexual or not, comes off as such and gives me the creeps. It is what it is.
Gay people can also go way too far with sexual shit in public, there’s actually a huge debate within the community about whether or not kink should be at pride events for example, and I’d say wearing a whole furry suit is more akin to wearing leather or latex BDSM gear than “holding hands or kissing,” and your example is frankly disingenuous.
Sorry… you’re comparing someone doing a “cute anime girl” thing in a fursuit with licking boots on a subway?
That’s ludicrous.
You have an unnecessary word at the beginning of that sentence which shows your biases.
Also, if someone wants to walk around in dominatrix gear- as long as they aren’t violating any local nudity laws, why do you give a shit?
This. People should be allowed to wear what they want. Even revealing things. It’s not a crime to have a sexy/ugly/fat/average body. People should learn to ignore what people look like and focus more on their behaviour and values. Focusing on the attire makes people freak out because DIFFRENT!
Yeah, I really don’t get it. It hurts no one for those people to just exist in public spaces. I’m only surprised the “what about the children?!?” card wasn’t played.
If people want to go out in public like this, I don’t see the problem. I probably won’t stand there watching them, but it’s not like I stand there watching people in general.
They’re not spreading any body fluids around, everyone is consenting, I’m just not seeing the deal here.
It’s not unnecessary, you brought it up! Why do you specify gay people kissing or holding hands then in your previous comment? Unnecessary to you right back then. So much “no u.” You can’t direct a conversation towards gay people just to claim that the guy replying is unnecessarily talking about gay people, that one is on you.
But yes, straight people, like MY ORIGINAL DOMINATRIX/SUB EXAMPLE, and the video I sent of the man licking a woman’s boot, can also do creepy stuff. Try and keep up. Jfc, you have your sights set on trying to pin me as a homophobe so bad you can’t see that I’ve been the one talking about straight people doing the creepy shit all along while you brought up the gay angle.
And because involving people in your kinks against their will is creepy whether your bits are showing or not, exhibit A: man licks boot on subway. Just do that shit in private (or private enough public locations, like a bar, con, club, etc). There’s places for that, the subway, park, store, whatever, ain’t it.
Why do you think I specified it? To show the bigotry you aren’t aware you have.
No, I am showing how you are being the same as homophobic bigots with people who have other ideas of what attracts them. If you said something racist about Asian people and I compared you to someone who said something racist about Native Americans, that would be an apt comparison.
Do you not have a neck? Do you not have eyelids? No one is forcing you to look at someone in dominatrix gear if they’re out in public. This is ridiculous prudishness.
Why? Because you don’t like to look at it?
I don’t like to look at sweaty, shirtless middle-aged guys walking around when it’s too hot. It disgusts me when I see it. Should my disgust be catered to or should I just put on my big boy pants and cope?