Just to be clear, this is a false choice fallacy you are engaged in.
There is an infinite series of other options and approaches that Biden could take to immigration reform. Its a choice of his to both a) accept the right wing framing of this issue and b), to adopt Republican policy on this issue.
You don’t understand how the government works if you think POTUS has unlimited power outside of a National Emergency. He has the ability to control the border with Executive Order. Immigration policy is created by Congress.
You are projecting and some how have maintained a total ignorance of the 117th US congress.
Biden had a bill in the house that he wanted them to pass.
It was a horrible draconian border bill with terrible policies in it. It was a total lift and shift of the same terrible polices Republicans support. If it wasn’t for the self-cuck that MAGA engaged in, it would have become law.
Biden could take another approach. Maybe something people who would actually vote for him would like in regards to border policy. Maybe fix H1B’s and our broken education visa-system.
No. No Biden isn’t interested in any of that. Biden wants a Republican border policy.
The same way literally every law or policy has ever been passed will ever be passed. You and your surrogates take the policies into the public conversation advocate for them, and you convert people into adopting your position. You convince the voters of the politicians that your policy is the better policy, and you engage those voters in converting that politician. You form coalitions and you build the rhetorical case for whatever it is that you are doing. Its literally the work of all of politics.
You may not have been exposed to that because you’ve probably developed your political understanding under decades of Democratic rule where the only political maneuvers they know are ‘heal’ and “roll over”. But technically it is possible for Democrats to fight for good policies and get them into law, even if they seem physically incapable of it in their modern manifestation.
So I can understand if you are confused by the idea that Democrats could actually engage in leadership, but in-fact, it is actually what they are elected to do. If the American voters wanted Republican policies coming out of the White House, be it in the form of administrative orders or in the bills they are promoting in congress, they could have just voted Republican.
It’s not a false premise to ask how the hell you expect policy to pass within the current makeup of Congress. You can just say you don’t have an answer. You don’t have to type several paragraphs dodging the question every time.
It’s not bad faith to ask you to support your claims. You can’t just scream “bad faith” whenever you get stuck. It’s not gonna work. Have a good night!
That is not accurate. Immigration right now is causing a variety of problems, including for those migrating. I recommend reading this for an explanation of the current issues and some independent ideas on how to solve them.
Doing nothing is the third option. That’s the current immigration policy. There is nothing mandating that border cities host any migrants, so they get bused to sanctuary cities. It’s up to sanctuary cities to volunteer housing. When housing runs out, migrants are homeless.
Biden’s order will temporarily shut down the US-Mexico border to asylum seekers attempting to enter the country legally when authorities have determined that the border is “overwhelmed”.
It only blocks asylum seekers.
It’s also how trump did his Muslim ban which was already ruled illegal. So why is Biden doing it except to screw over those seeking asylum?
Asylum seekers are categorized with migrants at the border. They only differ in desire to get a job once they enter. They’re given one year of amnesty to determine if they want to naturalize or move to another nation. They’re offered free housing in sanctuary cities. The cities are now full from lack of state funding and no Federal support. Congress failed to pass reform that could support these cities or mandate acceptance in other cities. There’s nothing left to do but choose from the three options I mentioned above.
Immigrants are people who enter the nation with intent to naturalize. They have more Federal rights than migrants, but a more complex legal journey ahead.
The Muslim ban was discriminatory trash, and nothing like this. It outlawed any immigration (migrants or immigrants) for Muslims or “suspected Muslims.” It absolutely was illegal, and despicable to boot.
Immigrants are not provided with emergency housing, so we can accept them. We simply do not have the housing that we guarantee migrants seeking asylum, so the options are homelessness, detainment, or restriction on entry.
You should read up on the definition of migrant if you don’t want to take my word for it. Your lack of understanding of the issue, and now willful ignorance to information provided, proves you’d rather protect your opinion than understand the problem.
Without hyperbole, it’s an Executive Order that restricts the influx at the border. It’s one of his three options.
Turn away at border
Detain until housing is available
Do nothing (Follow current congressional immigration policy and continue busing migrants to be homeless in sanctuary cities)
What do you suggest instead, given his limited power?
Just to be clear, this is a false choice fallacy you are engaged in.
There is an infinite series of other options and approaches that Biden could take to immigration reform. Its a choice of his to both a) accept the right wing framing of this issue and b), to adopt Republican policy on this issue.
Biden has chosen both of those options.
You don’t understand how the government works if you think POTUS has unlimited power outside of a National Emergency. He has the ability to control the border with Executive Order. Immigration policy is created by Congress.
You are projecting and some how have maintained a total ignorance of the 117th US congress.
Biden had a bill in the house that he wanted them to pass.
It was a horrible draconian border bill with terrible policies in it. It was a total lift and shift of the same terrible polices Republicans support. If it wasn’t for the self-cuck that MAGA engaged in, it would have become law.
Biden could take another approach. Maybe something people who would actually vote for him would like in regards to border policy. Maybe fix H1B’s and our broken education visa-system.
No. No Biden isn’t interested in any of that. Biden wants a Republican border policy.
If Republicans wont pass Republican border policy, can you please explain how the policies you suggest are passed?
Ah yes, the false premise again.
The same way literally every law or policy has ever been passed will ever be passed. You and your surrogates take the policies into the public conversation advocate for them, and you convert people into adopting your position. You convince the voters of the politicians that your policy is the better policy, and you engage those voters in converting that politician. You form coalitions and you build the rhetorical case for whatever it is that you are doing. Its literally the work of all of politics.
You may not have been exposed to that because you’ve probably developed your political understanding under decades of Democratic rule where the only political maneuvers they know are ‘heal’ and “roll over”. But technically it is possible for Democrats to fight for good policies and get them into law, even if they seem physically incapable of it in their modern manifestation.
So I can understand if you are confused by the idea that Democrats could actually engage in leadership, but in-fact, it is actually what they are elected to do. If the American voters wanted Republican policies coming out of the White House, be it in the form of administrative orders or in the bills they are promoting in congress, they could have just voted Republican.
That sounds like the Republican politicians I know- converted to supporting Democrat policies through public opinion.
It’s not a false premise to ask how the hell you expect policy to pass within the current makeup of Congress. You can just say you don’t have an answer. You don’t have to type several paragraphs dodging the question every time.
Of course. There would never be answer you could accept because your question isn’t being asked in good faith.
It’s not bad faith to ask you to support your claims. You can’t just scream “bad faith” whenever you get stuck. It’s not gonna work. Have a good night!
Not do any of it as it’s only an issue because of Republican framing
That is not accurate. Immigration right now is causing a variety of problems, including for those migrating. I recommend reading this for an explanation of the current issues and some independent ideas on how to solve them.
None of what that expert suggested are covered here
Doing nothing is the third option. That’s the current immigration policy. There is nothing mandating that border cities host any migrants, so they get bused to sanctuary cities. It’s up to sanctuary cities to volunteer housing. When housing runs out, migrants are homeless.
It only blocks asylum seekers.
It’s also how trump did his Muslim ban which was already ruled illegal. So why is Biden doing it except to screw over those seeking asylum?
Real answers?
Biden stopped growing in his understanding of politics in 1992. He thinks he can get voters this way.
Asylum seekers are categorized with migrants at the border. They only differ in desire to get a job once they enter. They’re given one year of amnesty to determine if they want to naturalize or move to another nation. They’re offered free housing in sanctuary cities. The cities are now full from lack of state funding and no Federal support. Congress failed to pass reform that could support these cities or mandate acceptance in other cities. There’s nothing left to do but choose from the three options I mentioned above.
Immigrants are people who enter the nation with intent to naturalize. They have more Federal rights than migrants, but a more complex legal journey ahead.
The Muslim ban was discriminatory trash, and nothing like this. It outlawed any immigration (migrants or immigrants) for Muslims or “suspected Muslims.” It absolutely was illegal, and despicable to boot.
Again this is Biden doing the Muslim ban for legally protected asylum seekers.
This is only an EO for those protected people.
Do you have a source on the discrimination in this Executive Order? I haven’t seen anything on religious restrictions in any articles.
Or is your confusion still on the term migrant?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/refugees-asylum-seekers-and-migrants/
Immigrants are not provided with emergency housing, so we can accept them. We simply do not have the housing that we guarantee migrants seeking asylum, so the options are homelessness, detainment, or restriction on entry.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-immigration-executive-order-asylum-border-7cd0b0f28e298036ad1fc6b0c78961e1
Yes the order that blocks asylum is totally only blocking migrants
You should read up on the definition of migrant if you don’t want to take my word for it. Your lack of understanding of the issue, and now willful ignorance to information provided, proves you’d rather protect your opinion than understand the problem.