• Cypher@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    a 4% surtax on incomes over $1 million

    Musk isn’t earning $220 billion a year, so clearly as I asked, this appears to be based on stock valuation.

    People spruiking and sharing absolute nonsense with zero idea of what is income, what is capital and how a “wealth tax” would actually work.

    This is why your opponents laugh at you.

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      7 months ago

      Who are my opponents?

      Also, the question was:

      And what do you do when they pack up and move themselves and their companies to tax havens?

      The answer is, they generally don’t leave.

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        Also, the question was:

        The question was

        So how does this wealth tax work?

        I know because I asked it and not a single one of you has had a coherent response.

        Oh like the tax in Massachusetts?

        The tax that would only see Musk pay $575 million and not the ass-pulled $6.6 billion?

        Who are my opponents?

        Apparently the ultra wealthy but you seem a bit confused.

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          I copied and pasted the question I answered. I’m sorry you didn’t care for the answer, but don’t ask a question if you don’t want it answered.

          As for the ultra wealthy laughing at me, why should I give a shit?

          In fact, why should I give a shit if anyone I don’t care about is laughing at me?

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            Well, maybe not the laughing, but if the wealthy can play in the nuance more confidently and accurately, even if you are right broadly you’ll have a more uphill battle trying to win. If they point to the rhetoric and are and to highlight incorrect details, they say “see, they just don’t understand things, so clearly ignore them”. Or if you “win” they play in the nuance to stack the deck in a different way so they win again, despite you ostensibly getting what you drive for.

            However if you have on point critiques and suggestions to consider, maybe it’s easier to drive for a system that reigns then in better, and is less likely to just let them move the loopholes.

            As SunTzu wrote: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.

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      7 months ago

      So are you arguing that stock valuations mean nothing?

      billionaires make it difficult to judge their worth… because as pointed out they are trying to not pay taxes.

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        I’m arguing that by FlyingSquid’s own assertion that the Mass. wealth tax could be copied that the numbers make zero sense.

        What’s not to get here? Read what he claimed and read the link he provided.

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        Stock evaluations have value, and they’re already taxed upon realization of gains. The meme says we should take away Billions of Elon Musk’s stock shares every year, but idk that sounds like a pretty vague and unsustainable plan. Maybe it could work? Most companies would probably just go private and do a series of offerings to lower evaluations. We need to at least clearly define a bracket of who it effects, is it any stock shares amounting above 1 Billion? 1 Million? Also, why is the rate in the meme a 2.98%?

        It’s just not a plan. It’s the opposite of a plan, it’s a desired end result with no details at all.