• Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world
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    The US shifted from a veto to abstaining, which is as close as the US is likely going to get to voting against Israel. That’s actually a huge shift, as soft as it might seem.

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      Tough for Biden to balance between:

      • Leaning too heavily into Israel and siding with genocide.

      • Leaning too heavily against, and being accused of being pro-Hamas.

      Worse, if Biden withdraws all aid to Israel and then Israel is hit with another terrorist attack, manufactured or not, that’s the end of Biden.

      Within the electorate resides Jewish Americans who still largely support Israel by the polling, and the progressives and Palestinian Americans (a fat smaller voting bloc).

      Best Biden is going to manage in toeing the line is singling out Netanyahu (who himself is unpopular in Israel) instead of Israel itself and actions like this.

      The risk obviously being that if Biden loses this election, the guy who wouldn’t just indirectly but likely directly commit genocide against Palestinians would come in and you certainly wouldn’t hear the words, “indiscriminate bombing” from Trump’s facial sphincter…

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        if Biden withdraws all aid to Israel and then Israel is hit with another terrorist attack, manufactured or not, that’s the end of Biden.

        Crazy that it’s somehow Biden’s fault if they get attacked again. Imagine if Netanyahu lost his power because someone else his the US with a terror attack.

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            I mean, okay, technically you’re not wrong; but it would affect his performance in what all involved seem to expect will be a closely contested election… So it could (and likely would) literally be the end of the Biden Administration.

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      No. That vote was on the US’ draft of a ceasefire resolution. China and Russia blocked it.

      Now the US is getting out of the way for a different, non US drafted, version of a ceasefire resolution to pass.

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      We’d need the texts of all the different resolutions the SC has attempted on this issue to say what changed where at whose request, but the article makes it look this is closer to a rerun of resolutions the US vetoed weeks ago

      The UN Security Council has called for an “immediate ceasefire” in Gaza, after the US did not veto the measure in a shift from its previous position

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    Useless and boring. If Hamas wants to they could end it at any time, but they don’t care about the people who voted them into power so they won’t.

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      This isn’t about those stupid fucking terrorists, it’s about stopping the other bunch of fucking terrorists who killed 20,000+ innocents from massacring more people, or destroying their homes and infrastructure leading to a slow lingering death from starvation and exposure just so that they can kill people and pretend it isn’t their fault.

      Fuck hummus and fuck Israel!

      May every baby killer burn alive and conscious

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        Release the hostages.

        What they won’t acknowledge is that holding those hostages is basically the last bargaining chip keeping Israel from just bombing all of Gaza into rubble. What’s left of it after all the bombing until now, that is.

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          holding those hostages is basically the last bargaining chip keeping Israel from just bombing all of Gaza into rubble

          so in other words, it wouldn’t end it any time, because israel would continue to bomb gaza into rubble?

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            Well, assuming by “it” they mean the war, yes it would end it because Israel would completely eliminate Gaza. No Gaza, no war! Easy!

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        Release all hostages, stop further terror attacks, and stop launching rockets.

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          Yup just let Israel erase them. That would certainly end it. Why didn’t the Jews in Germany and Poland try that?

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          And stop displacing people on the west bank! Oh wait thats not hamas, carry on then

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            It’s true that far right Israeli settlers need to stop killing families to take their land. But Hamas has little presence in the West Bank and the issues are not fundamentally linked. Progress needs to be made to stop the settlement of the West Bank (pressure on bibi and sanctions on settlers) and on the need to stop attacks from Hamas on Israeli civilians + the release of hostages. But progress on one of these fronts does not need to be linked to the other.

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      How many of the thousands of children Israel has killed in Palestine were members of Hamas? How is it Hamas’ fault that those children were killed by Israel?

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        You could argue , that it wasn’t a terrorist attack on Israel that started this. Since Hamas is the legitimate government of Gaza, you could argue they declared war, they invaded. A response to a country invading is very different from a response to a terrorist attack

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          So did Palestinians. Doesn’t make it okay to to go into someone else’s home, destroy everything, and tell them they can end the destruction of their home any time they want.