I was pretty hyped for the new prince of persia game (the lost crown), but come to find out it’s only available on ubisoft’s proprietary launcher or epic games. Nope, and nope.
I just want to have it available on my usual storefront, Steam, but it’s been decidedly omitted. As a long time fan of the old games, this kind of hurts. Especially since many of the others -are- available on Steam.
I wonder if/when it will come out for Steam. These platform exclusivity deals need to die.
Edit: It’s also available on several consoles, my post was just from a pc gamer’s perspective.
— A man that put his VR game exclusively on his own digital distribution platform.
On their own game engine.
Built to showcase their specific VR hardware. That they built after getting burned from multiple VR companies who abused Valves good will of providing access to their patent protected VR tech for free, to help accelerate the VR industry.
…a platform that works much better than the others… and a game that has been made with more love than anything in the past half a decade
You are fully justified to put your own developed stuff where youwant to.
On this one point I side with Ubisoft.The problem isn’t that Ubisoft is using their own launcher, it’s that their launcher blows ass
Yeah, this particular argument goes back around to validating Ubisoft
I’ve been boycotting Ubisoft for years, haven’t missed a damn thing.
I’ve been boycotting Ubisoft for years, haven’t missed a damn thing.
Yeah, there are so many great games by non-shitty developers. Skipping Ubisoft, EA, and Activision entirely is not only possible but there are more great games left than one can play anyway.
Yeah, that’s pretty much where I’m at with gaming now. Why settle for a subpar experience? I don’t have the time or finances for that.
Yeah, they’re a pretty shitty company. Weren’t they one of the first companies to implement always-on DRM?
Yeah, I think it was in Assassin’s Creed 2. At the time, people were unable to play the single player game they bought at launch because Ubisoft shitty authentication service couldn’t handle the load.
Guess who didn’t have that problem…
You can be sure that even the Epic version will still require the Ubisoft launcher. That is how all of my Steam purchased Ubisoft games are with the exception of the first Assassin’s Creed which predated the Ubisoft launcher. All of the others require it regardless of how I bought it.
I’m going to wait for at least two or more years after release for the new Prince of Persia. My days of paying full price for Ubisoft’s games are over and recent statements from the CEO make me reluctant to ever buy their games again.
I tried playing the original AC games recently. They went back and integrated the launcher for those too smh
Preferably games should be available as offline installers, like they used to. Gotta love gog.com / CDPR for that
Yep. Gog is probably where we should all be getting our games tbf. Being mad that a game is available on one drm store instead of another drm store is kind of silly. In either case we’re only buying the license and not actually owning anything.
Of all the shit Ubisoft does, not selling on steam is the dealbreaker? Alright.
Lol right? Why is steam the only acceptable DRM?
Why is steam the only acceptable DRM?
Because it’s optional and if opted in, works offline.
Ubisoft’s launcher also has an offline mode, though, does it not?
You lost me at ‘ubisoft’s launcher’
I remember playing Far Cry 3 on Steam way back when… It opened up uPlay. I was not happy, but what can you do.
So I played for a bit, then… the game crashed. Nothing seemed to be wrong with the game, but the uPlay lost connection. Everything else worked just fine. Happened several times after that, never bought anything else from Ubisoft.
Even if their launcher isn’t such piece of shit anymore, I don’t care.
Plus it works so smoothly I never even think of it as DRM, I just notice all the positives.
Plus it works so smoothly I never even think of it as DRM
AFAIK SteamWorks DRM is something developers have to actively implement in their games. From what I understand, by default Steam is merely a delivery system without DRM.
Yes. Ubisoft’s Rayman Origins works with no launcher, just copy steam’s game dir and you can run the game exe on another computer.
As a linux gamer, a game that is not available on Steam is a game i won’t even bother checking. I can easily run non-steam game using lutris or heroic-game-launcher but I prefer to stick to my walled garden than step in their’s.
It’s generally easier to install a pirated repack of a game via Steam and Proton than using their awful launchers.
No, they should definitely be accountable for all the other shitty things too. This is just a game I was actually kind of excited for, hence why I’m upset about it.
Me in 2004: Yeah I’ll never play Half-Life 2 because I hate that it comes with a mandatory useless piece of software. « Steam », what the hell is that? Full of DRMs, ugly, bugged to the core, eating up my precious RAM.
There are valid concerns but there are benefits to using one game manager. There’s nothing good about having to install a bunch of them because every other game is in a different store.
It still would be best if games came DRM-free and all of them were compatible with whatever game manager someone chooses, but a lot of them aren’t, especially from big publishers.
« There are benefits in using one game manager »
That is very true, and that’s why your game manager software shouldn’t be tied to any storefront or online service.
YAR HAR FIDDLE DE DE YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE.
Unless Denuvo!
It’s definitely convenient to have everything in once place, and Steam has way more features, but it’s good to avoid Steam becoming too monopolistic. We saw recently how badly that can go with reddit.
Despite the widespread worshipping of Steam and GabeN, I’ve had lots of issues with Steam and Valve over the years.
Convince other companies to be not shit competition then. Steam has its near monopoly because its competition is dogshit
No, Steam gained its near monopoly through anti-consumer practices as well: being mandatory for playing Valve games, even offline, as soon as 2004; being DRM-ridden; locking consumers out of their right to sell their games on second-hand market; still enforcing an old revenue share system that’s hurting devs; or putting micro-transactions everywhere with their collectible system that you can’t really disable at all. Just to name a few.
Steam is not better than others. You’re just used to its flaws.
Yeah, Steam has DRM. Its the least annoying DRM that exists entirely because they gave us one of the best shop fronts that exists on PC as a trade off. And all companies have the right to sell their own games on whichever store they wish. Unlike Epic, Steam doesnt buy the exclusive rights to OTHER companies games, its just their own games. Your imaginary competition utopian dreamland doesnt exist, and you’re turning optional mole hills into mountains in order to pretend the best option we have is bad. If you don’t like collectible trading cards and the least annoying DRM ever created, go buy on GOG, EPIC UBI and EA all have FAR WORSE practices
They bought out the Devs of portal to make portal for steam
Valve saw a demo and was impressed by it to the point they funded the full game, damn you guys get desperate to paint Valve in a bad light.
Steam is better than Epic at least. On top of all that, Epic makes itself mandatory for third-party games too.
Epic is worse on some points listed here, better on others.
The only one that goes on Epic’s favor is the cut, but frankly I think the whole “old revenue share system that’s hurting devs” is nothing more than Epic’s propaganda trying to get marketshare. 70/30 in favor of the devs while Steam handles hosting, community platform, multiplayer and modding tools, so forth, is neither unusual nor ripping anyone off, certainly not worth how maligned it was. I understand devs who prefer Epic’s cut, but I don’t think Epic is doing this out of fairness, nor that it can be relied on if they ever do gain ground.
In the other aspects, it’s either equal or worse. It has as much DRM. Steam provides options for people to trade extra copies they didn’t activate but as far as I know other stores don’t. Neither allows people to trade away activated copies so that’s no points for anyone.
I assume the microtransaction thing is talking about Steam Trading Cards and such, they are a bit of an iffy worthless addition to get people to waste money… but if the person is concerned over how much money the devs are getting, they do get a cut from every transaction, so under that perspective it should be counted as a plus. Which, by the way, is entirely up to the dev to add or not.
I don’t really remember asking for your opinion on what a fair cut should be or what you think is a rip off. But the fact is that Steam takes more money from developers than other powerful competitors around (but 30% is barely enough to get servers running if I listen to you :D ). Okay. Sure. Yes. Right.
The microtransactions are so awful in Steam that with proposed laws in some countries (like the Netherlands) it would make the whole thing illegal. Some of the worst Valve practices already are, like the loot boxes (they’re banned there).
I don’t tell you that you should switch to something else than Steam. I don’t tell you that there’s a better choice (maybe GOG?). But what I’m saying is that Steam is indeed predatory and has been known for its anti-consumer practices, despite what some True Gamers™ seem to believe.
I don’t really remember asking for your opinion on what a fair cut should be or what you think is a rip off.
Too bad, this is a public forum. I don’t need to ask for your permission to say whatever I want. But if that’s how you are going to go about it, then feel free to think whatever you want on your corner.
Avoid it in favor of GoG. Ubisoft can’t be trusted with a single drop of goodwill. As we can see by how they inject their clunky garbage manager even in games they sell through other stores.
I know of at least one other place it is available, and they have it for the cheapest price 😈
Wrong. I know a place that will pay you to download it, if you’re willing to first disable Windows Defender.
Don’t they also offer a great discount if you pay within 12 hours to unlock your personal files? I’m in!
Cue the BUT STEAMS MONOPOLY idiots that completely ignore that Valve does nothing to stop anyone from competing with them, its just that anyone who has tried (outside GOG) has only produced anti consumer garbage
DRM is never good for the end user.
Steams DRM is a VERY REASONABLE compromise between the interests of the devs and the consumer not wanting to be unfairly punished/annoyed. Steams DRM has literally NEVER caused me a headache aside from ONCE when steam was super new, its a non issue at this point
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Yeah, and when I show up to work, regardless of how much I like what I do or my coworkers, I expect to be paid for it, your point is? They created a form of DRM that is the least obtrusive out there, made it optional, and they gave us one of the best store fronts out there as compensation for it. Again, Ubi, EA, and Epic’s DRM is FAR WORSE.
Who downvoted this?
Ubisoft
People who understand nuance exists in this world. Steams DRM is a VERY RARE check to the internet that you own the game, and its an OPTIONAL thing that developers can choose. EA UBI and EPIC’s versions of DRM is FAR WORSE, and if you really want to be extreme in your hatred of even reasonable level DRM, GOG exists
I would agree with you, but Steam is also anti consumer garbage.
Ubisoft is shit, most of their games are.
The moment I heard the new Prince of Persia had Denuvo, I wasn’t going to play it anyway.
Yep, double shitty. Makes me want to start sailing. 🏴☠️
If it’s denuvoed you’ll have to wait for the crazy bigot Empress to crack it. Could be a while.
If it’s denuvoed you’ll have to wait for the crazy bigot Empress to crack it. Could be a while.
30 seconds of googling revealed that someone already packaged the Switch version for PC with a preconfigured emulator.
I’m still kinda shocked there isn’t anyone else trying. Maybe you need to be crazy to be a legend.
cracking Denuvo shit must be incredibly challenging.
It is, but i don’t think for a second empress is the only person to stumble across the solution. Unless it’s something so crazy only a crazy could do it.
I know there are a lot of reasons why it’s a harder choice to make; you can’t share the secret because that’s a security risk, you can’t make as much money, you are at greater risk. I guess i just miss the old days where people into tech were anti establishment and into doing things because it was cool.
Good to know, I’m not really up to date with the scene.
The moment I heard the new Prince of Persia had Denuvo, I wasn’t going to play it anyway.
It mandates a Ubisoft account everywhere anyway. Apparently on Switch in airplane more is the only way to circumvent this.
According to the DF review vídeo the account is required on PS/Xbox unless you’re offline, but entirely optional on the Switch.
It’s discussed around 15min into the video.
I try the switch demo, you presses back multiple time, it skip the ubishit login.
Well fuck I should just put it on my switch. Oh well I got $20 off on QVC and I like Prince of Persia so I don’t mind pumping sales figures for it.
Idk when it’ll get here though so maybe I still will 😂
I don’t know how they all manage to do it but EA, Ubisoft, and Rockstar are all my most hated companies of all time. They can make some good stuff, but I just absolutely hate how they all force people to jump through so much hoops just to play the games you pay them for.
They force you to make accounts with them and use their stupid launchers which never work properly and are just advertisements. There have been so many times I just wanted to play a game and then forgot my password to the account and got locked out or the launcher needed an update and I had to wait like 20 minutes.
Fuck all large game corporations.
Well, guess I’m going to pirate it.
They count that. You have to not even steal it for them to realize they fucked up.
Steam or GoG
Anything else is too much pain.
