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    I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun. Might as well change the community name to Democrats and not politics if it’s going to be the same as Reddit. Otherwise let’s keep “politics” an actual balance of actual discussion and not an echo chamber.

    If there’s a problem with my comment to you, you’re the problem. Nothing I said was offensive or bad.

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        Your policies are murdering my friends and an entire gender while stripping away our rights at every chance you can get.

        ❄️ s: Why can’t I say anything without people telling me to eat my fascist shit!? I just want to be civil!

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          Your friends are killing themselves because you don’t want to give them the medical help they need, you are fully responsible for that and one day you’ll realize that

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            candio

            Your friends are killing themselves because you don’t want to give them the medical help they need, you are fully responsible for that and one day you’ll realize that

            What does that even mean lol? Is this some weird Fox talking point I’ve never heard of?

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        Probably because anyone who had opposing thoughts are shunned as evil without any opportunity for civil discussion, so they vote in silence and don’t speak their opinions.

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          So, you are saying these things are happening yet here you are speaking you opinion. You get to disagree with people just as people get to disagree with you. Say what you want, but understand there are consequences and you don’t get to dictate what those are if they make you feel bad.

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            But I’ve said nothing wrong yet the shunning has already begun. Literally what’s the difference between this and nazi germany or the CCP?

            What have I said that is so bad that deserves the “consequences” you’re talking about? All I ask is people don’t just live in a hive mind and shun people if they haven’t done anything worth shunning. I feel like I’m the only one with open eyes and ears here. I don’t shun liberals. I only shun if people say stupid things. Why can’t it be the same from everyone.

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              People are disagreeing with you, not shunning you. People disagreeing with you is the consequence. That is all that is happening.

              You came to a political thread and when people disagree with you, you claim your being shunned. Self reflect on that. Or don’t. I don’t give a shit what you do.

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              Literally what’s the difference between this and nazi germany or the CCP?

              me looking at pictures of a gas chamber and a downvote

              I can’t tell the difference!

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                Sure, what’s happening to the Uighurs in China is bad, but this guy just got downvoted on the internet which is just as bad! Oh, the humanity!

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              Genuine question, what do you think it means to be shunned? Everyone in this thread is responding to you. We’re talking to you. We’re reading your opinions and sharing our own in response. This direct interaction with you is the opposite of being shunned.

              Do you maybe mean people disagree with you and are sharing their disagreements in comments and votes? Because this confuses me too. How isn’t this exactly what you want? Some people agree with you and others don’t. We’re all allowed to talk about our opinions too. No one is turning you away.

              I feel like I’m the only one with open eyes and ears here.

              If you are then you must recognize how the things you’re saying don’t make sense right now. You can’t both be shunned and continue to be in communication with those that shun you.

              I only shun if people say stupid things. Why can’t it be the same from everyone.

              I see this and I think “this is a person who would ‘shun’ me if I said something they deem stupid. They think my opinions are stupid. Therefore I expect to be shunned.” I’m very confused by this. If I were to say your opinions are stupid, that gives me the right to shun you, as you suggest, so I don’t think you can complain if you believe we’re doing exactly what you’re asking, no?

              However, we aren’t shunning you. We are communicating. You are suggesting that you have the right to “shun” us as soon as you see something stupid. That seems wholely hypocritical and unfair. If fairness is what you’re after, you must realize this.

              I don’t want to fight either, and I prefer civil, rational discussions. So please say what you really mean here. Otherwise you’re literally asking that we ‘shun’ you as per your own comment. The things you say don’t make logical sense (stupid) and we should shun stupid. I don’t think that’s very fair, but those are the rules you’re suggesting here.

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              Literally what’s the difference between this and nazi germany or the CCP?

              What a remarkably profound insight you’ve shared! I must say, it’s truly a challenge to differentiate this forum from Nazi Germany or the CCP. In fact, I can’t seem to conjure up any distinctions at the moment, except perhaps a few minor details that some might consider noteworthy, like the violent and systematic suppression of dissenting opinions, the widespread surveillance and censorship apparatus, the imprisonment and torture of political dissidents, the forced labor camps, the state-controlled media that propagates propaganda, the indoctrination of citizens through pervasive ideological campaigns, the abhorrent human rights violations, the complete erosion of civil liberties, the absence of free and fair elections, the pervasive culture of fear and constant surveillance, the mass persecution based on ethnicity or political affiliation, the enforced conformity to a rigid ideology, the use of state power to silence and eliminate opposition, the subversion of the judicial system to serve political interests, the suppression of academic freedom, the manipulation of historical narratives, and so on and so forth.

              But yes, practically the same thing. Literally 1984!

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              Did you come into a political community thinking you would change others’ minds? That isn’t how politics works. People change their minds through education and experience, not from random posts on the internet.

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          Honest question - do you think there are more conservatives than liberals in the US?

          How do you think republican candidates would fare without gerrymandering and the current state of the electoral college?

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          So what you’re saying is more popular opinions are probably more popular with the public… Hmmm.

          Also, if you cared about karma on reddit and you care about karma on Lemmy… And both places hate republican policy… Maybe that’s a sign that their policies are literal fascist nationalist Christian shit that people don’t like. If you feel like your opinion is dragged through the mud everywhere but your dark corners and echo chambers… Maybe it belongs there lol.

          What people are experiencing in the lifting of civil discussion because democrats know better now. Republicans don’t care about civil discussion and they weaponize hypocrisy like priests weaponize their dicks on choir boys mouths. Lol.

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            We can’t tell if the “liberal” opinion is more popular though because you guys shun anyone who thinks otherwise. I guarantee you there’s people who don’t think like you, that just agrees with you cause they don’t wanna deal with the backlash. And it’s sad af that that’s where this country is at. Im not understanding how “be more respectful” is turning into such a huge deal here.

            I care about civil discussion, I’m doing it right now. I’ve insulted no one and I’ve been insulted 20 times in 10 minutes so far.

            Republicans care about civil discussion, they just don’t discuss because you guys do nothing but attack. You don’t have to listen to me but this is the universal truth, both online and in person.

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          There is no penalty for having an unpopular comment. It’s politics, most comments will be unpopular. I think the issue you are having is that the majority of people below the age of 65 lean liberal by a wide amount. Most Conservative views these days are hate-filled and or violent. That kind of talk doesn’t appeal to the wider population.

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      By all means feel free to post something to this community to generate the discussion you’re looking for Mike!

      So far you’ve posted nothing, to any community.

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        “You haven’t spent your time posting to Lemmy how dare you!”

        Ok….? This is the first time politics showed up on my feed, and looks like it’s going to be the last time. Just like r/politics

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          You quoted something I didn’t say. If that’s the attitude and quality of discussion you’re looking to bring then by all means block this community from your Lemmy experience.

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      …starts with a dizzying triple combo of ad hominem (democrats are infestations), straw-man (arguing that the commenters are bad instead of focusing on the article we’re commenting on), and association (all folks who disagree with me are bad).

      …then demands fair and elevated discourse and complains when it’s not offered.

      I might have been part of the problem in /r/politics, but your message leaves out the “treat others how you wish to be treated” lesson that is also frequently lacking in the policies of the states in the article.

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      So why do you think health care, childcare and policies on discrimination are invalid metrics for evaluating quality of life, and with what would you replace them?

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          Oooo boooy, Alabama gets an extra Senate seat cuz Jimbo caught a monster catfish, with just his bare hands!

          That’s the kind of leadership and intelligence we need around here. Atta boy Jimbo.

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          biggest fish caught

          Everyone lies about that so it’s not a reliable metric. I’d say fewest teeth per capita or just overall chewing tobacco sales.

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      What do you want? Should people on the left not post here in the interest of balance? Maybe they can LARP as republicans so you don’t get triggered, would that help?

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      Not sure what kind of discussion you’re wanting to see, but I feel like a lot of current discussion that would be considered non-left-biased is over things like “do trans people deserve to exist?” and I don’t think those are discussions worth having.

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      How do you suppose we have political conversation without pointing out the flaws relating to the party in charge?

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          Cool way to avoid the question with another question. Very engaging.

          This is why people shouldn’t engage with people like you. Don’t act surprised when you’re simply ignored by rational people in the future.

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          If you think a party has flaws which aren’t being discussed, then discuss them. Stop whining about a flaw not being discussed and make a post about that flaw. That’s how discussion happens.

          People will read your evidence and analysis of the flaw and upvote you if they agree or downvote you if they disagree. They will not upvote or downvote you and ignore the post if they want to shun your opinion.

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      I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun.

      Yes, we’ve already seen an influx of conservatives that whine that everywhere isn’t stomfront-y enough for their liking.

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          Thanks for letting me know I’m not alone. They’re doing what they do with every platform: preemptively whining that it’s so unfair that bigotry isn’t treated with fawning worship in the hopes that if they gripe frequently enough, the mods will internalize it and start protecting bigotry under the guise of civility.

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      We have plenty of comments for all sides of the political spectrum here. The only things that get removed are calls for violence, hate, or comments that are not civil toward community members.

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      Do you think that it might be that logic and reason have a liberal bias? I mean, it’s not a big stretch to think that racism, bigotry, misogyny, and xenophobia might find itself at odds with those on the rational side of arguments.

      It also will always amuse me when people whine about “liberal bias” when what they mean is- self-awareness and non-judgmental observation.

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      I’m extremely left leaning, pretty much all of the top voted replies to you are ridiculous. Clearly this is already an echo chamber

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      They are paid to spread propaganda and hate and bring back racism, otherwise they couldn’t sell you their “cure”, you’ll never get rid of parasites