The Thai government has called for the release of all remaining citizens being held in Gaza. So far at least 33 Thai nationals have been killed, according to figures shared by Thai authorities with CNN – with 18 Thai nationals still being held hostage as of October 26.

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    I’m glad this man was released, and I hope the rest are released soon.

    I do wonder about the sustainability of importing labor from half way around the world when there is a huge pool of jobless young people kilometers away. I realize its probably for security reasons, but it speaks to the economic barriers that are in the way to integration of the populations.

    Thai deaths in Hamas massacre spotlight poor agricultural workers from Asia who toil in Israel’s fields - CNN

    “During the 1990s, migrant workers (began to) replace Palestinians working in construction sites and agriculture fields as Palestinians workers became unwelcome and ‘unreliable’ due to regular lock downs and security issues,” Ladizhinskaya added.

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      …Kunwong was left for dead, heavily bleeding from the wound in his throat. He was eventually found and cared for by other migrant workers. He managed to survive, he believes, because the knife had been blunt and broken.

      He wasn’t released by Hamas. He escaped the hell of October 7th by sheer luck.

      speaks to the economic barriers that are in the way to integration of the populations

      There were many Palestinians living in the West Bank and even from Gaza who would enter Israel to work in various industries (mostly agriculture and construction) prior to October 7th. Most legally with work visas, and some illegally. I doubt that that level of economic cooperation will ever return.

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      It’s weird how this article seems to hint at Thai workers being exploited. I read elsewhere they’re paid 5-6 times what they would be making at home… Not to say the system isn’t fucky but it doesn’t seem these workers are being duped into this

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        The Israeli regulations around employing any foreign worker are very fair on paper (Google Translate), but there are regular stories highlighting various abuses of the system.

        The only rights they don’t get compared to an Israeli citizen seem to be around some retirement benefits and some social security stuff. In many ways, it’s more complicated than employing an Israeli as they are required to provide them with housing and some industries have required levels of overtime.

        The Thai minimum wage seems to be around 330 baht per day. That comes out to around 4.5 shekels per hour, compared to Israeli minimum wage of 30 shekels per hour.

        So 5-6 times more is about right, assuming they would be earning minimum wage in both places.

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    Hamas could achieve a cease-fire right now by releasing the hostages. But then they would have to account for the ones they have already murdered.

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        stop caring for downvotes on this topic. this discussion has lost its objectivity a long time ago and the current meta is that israel is bad and should somehow bow to terrorism.

        I don’t know why though 😅

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        I did. There’s no fucking way this all stops if Hamas just releases the hostages. This is a completely delusional statement.

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        Actually I don’t see one downvote to the comment. But I am a Kbin user so it is always a bit different here.

        Just one question: You are usually not able to see who favorited or reduced a comment/article on Lemmy? On kbin you get all those infos.

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        If Hamas releases every single hostage they have, they cannot prove they have no more hostages. So the situation would not change.

        There is no de-escalation from the current positions, there is going to be an invasion, and Hamas is going to be destroyed, at least as it exist today.

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      I’m pretty sure that’s not true. Hamas has already tried that path, but Israel is out for blood. Netenyahu’s position is that the incursion should proceed even though it’ll kill hostages.

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            I’m pretty well informed in the area, but willing to learn. Can you please link to information about any time since it’s inception that Hamas has offered peaceful relations with Israel?

            Israel has made peace with Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, the Palestinian Liberation Organization, Qatar, UAE, etc, often in exchange for Israel giving up land.

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              Can you please link to information about any time since it’s inception that Hamas has offered peaceful relations with Israel?

              Well not really peaceful relations, but there were two ceasefires, one in 2008 and another in 2012, that Hamas followed in good faith until it was clear that Israel had no intention of doing that (the 2012 one they kept for more than a year). Both included Israel completely lifting the blockade, which they didn’t do no matter how long Hamas waited.

              BTW Hamas is uh… Hamas, but they changed their charter in 2017 to only demand a return to 1967 borders.

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        Why wouldn’t Israel be out for blood? America glassed entire countries when provoked, why did anyone think or expect Israel to just take the Oct 7 attack and shrug it off/not react? Fuck Hamas and their “peace attempts” after murdering festival goers and families.

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          America has never glassed any entire country, they’ve used exactly 2 nuclear bombs on one country and it was two cities, not the whole county.

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          America glassed entire countries when provoked,

          And did it work? You’re implying the war on terror was anything more than a disaster.

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          Fuck Israel for occupying Palestinian lands and bombing and killing innocent men, women and many many many children.

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          It’s just tiring at this point. Even if you have lived there, aren’t a zionist, family been there for 500+ years, and try to cut through all the bullshit to explain the context no one cares. It’s just politically extremist tribalism which is exactly what caused the issue we are discussing.

          There’s also a lot of censorship going on and it’s a bit sick since the posts and comments I’ve seen censored often include Palestinians talking about the situation. largely ones from Hamas, some who left. It doesn’t fit whatever whoever is doing the removing wants on the front page I guess.

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              I just see the mod log entries and “post_not_found” errors in my comment history. But it’s against the rules to be more specific.

              Sometimes it seems like a legitimate site error because I can see the comments in the web UI but not the app api.

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          It’s quite interesting looking at Lemmy and then going back and looking at Reddit. The latter is taking IDF’s words as gospel, and the former likes to pretend Hamas and their atrocities don’t exist.

          Flitting between the two actually helps cancel out the absurd bias.

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      Hamas will only release the hostages in exchange for all Palestinians in Israeli jails

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    Wait, did I understand this correctly? Even if there are a lot of unemployed Palestinians and Lebanese that will work for cheap, they prefer to hire a semi-slave from another continent?