cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/12934485
The comments are even more reprehensible! This is the flood gate the Mamdani supporters opened after calling all of Mamdani’s anti-zionist critics antisemitic.
Source: https://bsky.app/profile/doopcommander.bsky.social/post/3mwu5rx726s2z
Yes the majority of Jews and Jewish institutions support genocide.
Yes the people pointing their guns at and pulling the trigger at Palestinian children are Jews.
Yes the people who choose to torture Palestinian men, women, and children for the crime of having land they want to steal are Jews
However, calling them what they are is antisemitism and mean and thats worse.
And we’re very consistent with this on the left, the fact that Azov nazis receive funding and support for their propaganda from the west to be used as a proxy against Russia excuses them from all their actions as well. No one on the left writes off all Ukrainians, not even ironically
Hard to know what you mean by the last bit.
Leftists on this site will have no issue with treating all Ukrainians as Nazis while making excuses for Jews despite both groups containing people who arent genocidal, both being exposed to genocidal propaganda their entire lives, and both having the agency to not commit war crimes
Yeah we do that for men and whites too. Oppressive nations don’t get special kid glove treatments.
I dont know I have similar attitudes about Ukraine, sure a majority are banderites but there are some that are opposed to their Nazi government, also there are a lot of Ukrainians taking up actual arms against the state press ganging them into war which afaik is more common than any such resistance to Israeli mandatory service.
Palestine is also nowhere comparable to the power of Russian military and if they had that amount of support you would likely see more revolutionary defeatist on the Israeli side.
Just to clarify. Do you mean The Leftists On This Site should treat Jews more like they treat Ukraininas or the other way around?
i think i’m not understanding the tone of your last lines. i see “ukronazi” a lot, specific references to the leadership or the puppet regime, we even (when there was more of a difference) specified if it was azov or the regular military.
Leftists on this site will have no issue with treating all Ukrainians as Nazis while making excuses for Jews despite both groups containing people who arent genocidal, both being exposed to genocidal propaganda their entire lives, and both having the agency to not commit war crimes
I don’t think it’s right to treat all Ukrainians as Nazis even if Ukraine is overall a fascist state that worships a major perpetrator of the Holocaust as its patron saint. I don’t think Israelis live under the same levels of coercion as the Ukrainians who are forbidden from fleeing the country under much greater danger and beaten or held at gunpoint to be dragged to military facilities surrounded by mines to prevent escape, but regardless there is a minority of antizionist Israelis also.
I tend not to bring up this latter point very often because it isn’t that practically important imo, but if we’re discussing the subject directly then it’s worth mentioning.
Yeah tbh if you are barred from leaving the country and are getting press ganged into the military all your choice has been robbed from you at that point
we must not be reading the same ukraine posts
That’s one of the problems with irony, when you change what you’re being ironic about within a post, things get confusing fast, especially when you are ironic about both sides of a contradictory double standard.