and yet, we STILL won’t stop eating animals.
Just switching from beef to chicken and pig gets you 90% of the way to vegan, emissions-wise.
It’s an easy substitution to make. Make beef a treat or a once in a while thing.
It’s expensive anyway.
yes…because me eating meat is the highest cause of greenhouse gasses. totally not the unmonitored industrial factories across the globe.
It’s not the only source, or even a majority, but it is big enough to matter and it saves money for almost everybody to stop. (Sole real exception: arctic populations who have to import anything agricultural)
ok. I’ll bite.
do you know what the highest part of a grocery bill is? the vegetables. the volume and the quality of vegetables you would need to buy to meet the same caloric value of a diet that includes meat would instantly out price poor families.
why do you think poor people are so fat? it’s because the cheapest foods are carb heavy. boxed meals like hamburger helper, spam, suddenly salad, etc are all far cheaper than having a diet that relies solely on vegetables. and those boxed meals, what do they entirely rely on? MEAT!
so the next time you’re slogging down your vegan moral superiority, think about the poor family living on $200 a month for groceries for five or six people. do you think you could feed a family of six for 30 days on $200 in vegetables with the same caloric value?
beans, lentils, potatoes, rice, legumes …
More protein, more health, more calories, lower price than meat
You’re probably thinking about watery out of season vegetables like tomatoes and broccoli
it’s how poor countries survive. Rich countries are fat and have cardiovascular problems
Poor countries eat meat. What you think poor countries are all eating vegetables all the time. They have fricken huge markets where they buy stuff daily. I believe India has the largest amounts of vegetarians. And that is 20% to 39% that is a lot of people but not the whole country.
Poor countries survive on rice and grains for most of their calories. Billions of people.
Didn’t mean to imply that they are vegetarians.
Didn’t know there was discussion about vegetarians.
let’s do meal prep for a family of 6.
vegan meal:
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$.48 - 1 cup rice - 205 calories
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$1.14 - 3 large carrots - 90 calories
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$.32 - 1/2 cup peas - 58 calories
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$.48 - 1/2 cup lentils - 130 calories
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food volume: 3 cups
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total calories: 483
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volume per serving: 1/2 cup
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calories per serving: 80.5
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total cost: $2.42
average meal:
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$2.74 - 1 cup of Hamburger Helper - 140 calories
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$7.23 - 1 pound of beef - 1152 calories
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$.50 - 3 2/3 cup of milk - 390 calories
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food volume: 3 cups
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total calories: 1682
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volume per serving: 1/2 cup
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calories per serving: 280
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total cost: $10.47
healthy mealtime caloric intake should be between 300-500 calories. both meals are still under the recommended calories, but only one of them dangerously so.
it would take 3 times the vegan meals volume in order to come close to what the average meal has. that’s a whopping 1 1/2 cups of food per serving and still falls short of the 300 calorie minimum.
it’s far easier to meet caloric intake using meat than with vegan diets.
a vegan meal may be cheaper and more nutritional, but Americans are working two or more jobs. meal prep is difficult when you’re mentally and physically drained. when you’re tired, broken, depressed, the last thing you want is food that doesn’t make you feel good, satisfied, or comforted.
I think vegans often overlook the barriers to entry into a strictly vegan diet and are blinded by their own hubris. if this isn’t true, then the vegan struggle to convert nonbelievers wouldn’t be so difficult, would it?
Literally multiply your vegan recipe by four and suddenly you have more calories per serving than your meat recipe, and it’s still fucking cheaper.
God, you’re bad at math.
You’re dumb everywhere aren’t you
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Vegetables are far cheaper than meat?
Like a bag of rice and lentils/beans is next to nothing.
And beans are hella calorie dense depending on the kind
Beans are one of the corner stones of my diet and damn are they good and cheap
it’s one of the best things you can do as an individual, among others.
like using paper straws? or using reusable cups from starbucks? or turning my AC up above 78°F?
myths. all myths. you want to stop global warming? break out the guillotine and start rolling the heads of every single person with a wealth over $100 million.
Appeal to futility.
Cant fix everything? Why bother doing anything.
I’m not trying to fix everything. I’m just trying to focus all my efforts into something that will solve the problem.
we’re in a burning building and you are claiming you’re helping by not drinking water.
Then what are you even trying to fix? I just see you arguing against veganism, not proposing anything else.
you’re the one that was proposing broken solutions to a climate problem. I was just pointing out the misconception that you individually doing anything has any real significant impact.
I suppose if an individual could do anything that would have any significant impact they could take a page from Luigi’s manifesto.
personally I think it’s foolish to believe that people in this day and age would come together without some kind of individual incentive. sure, you and your 3% can come together but again…not any significant impact.
as Archimedes said, “Give me the place to stand, and I shall move the earth.”
it’s not about finding a solution but rather the proper amount of leverage. how does being vegan bring leverage against those who compel and feed global climate change? all it does is flaunt a misplaced sense of moral superiority so you can attempt to shame others into compliance. it’s such a weak stance that I doubt vegans truly believe it, which is why vegans are such a loud and outspoken minority.
