I’m wondering if any of the history buffs on here can chime in.
In the 40s, once the scale of the Nazi’s horrific genocide was uncovered, did they have mouthpieces go on radio and cry about how attacking them is “un-Christian” or something similar? Is there a parallel from how the Nazis or other genociders responded to condemnation as the Zionists do today?
It makes me sad to see a religion pulled through the mud and the many Jewish people who advocate for peace tarred because the majority appears to support the ongoing genocide in Israel. Is it really that easy to get a large group to be OK with mass murder by saying it’s for a religious cause?
and the many Jewish people who advocate for peace
The few Jewish people …
The vast majority of Jewish people globally support the genocidal state of Israel.
Is it really that easy to get a large group to be OK with mass murder by saying it’s for a religious cause?
It’s always been quite similar in the USA with Christianity. Wrapping it up in liberalism makes it even more toxic as Chisto-fascism. The idea that bringing Jesus to the natives will improve their lives. It’s mainly abused by the ruling classes to then control them and mock them with sympathetic libs about their lack of gay rights etc., that they themselves indoctrinated their victims to oppose.
A major issue with Judaism however is the supremacism that’s enabled by liberals, Chistians and Jews alike. I know even very disciplined and learned Marxist-Leninists who have a Zionist living in their heads. A lot of people balk at even hearing the word “Jew”, it triggers some hardcoded response that’s not reserved for any other religion or minority. The elevation of Jews, the pedestaling of them and knee-jerk defensive response to any kind of criticism is something we all have experienced.
In this new post Gaza-genocide world though, this just can’t continue. The “Not All Jews” response is as reprehensible as the “Not All Whites”, “Not All Men”, or “Not All Germans” while discussing the Holocaust.
“The Nazis are making the good Germans look bad!”
“It’s important we elevate German voices in our anti-Nazi rhetoric.”
“Anti-German sentiment is rising due to the Nazis.”
“This is Anti-Teutonism!”
“Nazi Germany has a right to exist.”
While the vast majority of Jewish people globally support the genocidal state of Israel, we all need to kill the Zionist in our heads that enables this and allow for even a mention of “The Jews” without feeling some inner pushback.
The Holocaust continues to this day to destroy Jews. Only now it’s the absurd over-protection of them that just feeds their supremacy.
WW2 was in essence a war among European, Christian nations so it’s different from today’s context of Zionist war crimes and genocides. Not to mention that antisemitism was not the main point of contention between the axis powers and the allies.
The Nazi leadership was in conflict with Christianity because it opposed the separation of the state and church. The Nazis tried numerous measures to subjugate the latter but those attempts were temporarily halted following the war as a way to bolster support for the war from German Christians, who were the majority of the party’s membership as well as the country’s whole population. There was even an attempt by Hitler to unify the Protestant Church under Nazi leadership.
its much closer to manifest destiny ties with christianity. nazis did not try to appeal to christians as a general rule. they didnt put a cross on their flag etc
The Nazis had a complicated relationship with religion. Despite drawing a lot of their aesthetics from south German Catholics, the Catholic Church as a whole was not very fond of Nazism. Some clergy were Nazi-aligned, but Catholics were largely their own sociopolitical bloc and supported the NSDAP in smaller numbers than any demographic except Jewish people. Protestantism was also not centralized, it had made for a supportive ideology for expanding the frontier of settler colonies (USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa) but this was not useful for overhauling an existing European nation-state, and there were further divisions between Lutheran, Calvinist, and Anabaptist theologies. There were also pagan strains in Nazism, which many within the party would have liked to embrace to rid themselves of the altruistic “inconveniences” of Christian teaching, but they were too small of a minority for this to be practical.
Overall, it didn’t become central to the point where having a “state religion” could plausibly be part of their platform. To “unite Germany” means bringing together all the multitudes that exist within Germany.
Catholic Church as a whole was not very fond of Nazism
You would be right if you omitted the word “Church” there. The “Church” as an organisation was actually pretty okay with nazism. Having signed the Reichskonkordat. It was only after the continued demand for a religious and ethnically unified Germany continued that Pius XI accused the nazis of being hostile to Catholicism as an institution, and yet he kept working with them. Even after Odilo Globocnik declared a direct religious conflict with the Catholic church and began confiscating religious property the Catholic church remained on relatively good terms with Hitler himself.
Which is the thing you’re missing here. The Germans did not give a shit about “Bringing together the multitudes”. That’s very much the opposite of their project. They both promulgated as close to a state church as they felt they could get away with with “Positive Christianity”, but they were also ultimately opposed to any competing identities existing under the German umbrella.
I mean they created their own more nazi version of Christianity (“positive Christianity”) and were repeatedly very critical of Christianity because the whole “Turn the other cheek” and “The meek shall inherit the earth” is not conducive to what they wanted to achieve. Although of course they had the support of religious Protestants as a demographic (Less so for religious Catholics. Although the Church was pro fascist, Catholics as a demographic were much less likely to support the nazi party). The “First they came for the communists” guy was a Protestant pastor whose main problem with the nazis was that the Nuremburg laws did not provide for conversions, and by claiming converts were still Jewish you were denying the sacramental nature of the baptism. He was otherwise fully on board with the nazi program until they came for him.
In the 40s, once the scale of the Nazi’s horrific genocide was uncovered, did they have mouthpieces go on radio and cry about how attacking them is “un-Christian” or something similar?
Not to my knowledge. But a large part of their propaganda towards western powers was that Germans, the British and Americans shared much more with each other than either did with Jews, Roma, Slavs and and minority groups from the Soviet unions. Essentially highlighting that all these western powers shared a heritage, one that was not shared by the people the Germans were fighting in the east. This didn’t fall on totally deaf ears, but as we can plainly tell it wasn’t enough to get people to totally overlook the camps. Mostly they just accused everyone of lying until the camps were liberated and the regime was brought down, and then pretended they didn’t know.
Germans however did cry and cry loudly about their poor treatment by the barbarians of the east, and decried the “harsh” (There are not enough quotation marks to denote the sarcasm) measures taken during denazification.
Is it really that easy to get a large group to be OK with mass murder by saying it’s for a religious cause?
That and dehumanising the victims make for a very potent combination. But zionism exists outside of its religious contexts. Non-practising Jews can be zionists, many prominent early zionists were quite hostile to their own more religious brethren.





