My take is either red hot or ice cold I have no idea, it’s been rolling around in my head for a while now. The vibes are bad, the energy is off, and my pattern recognition alarm bells are ringing. Discourse is here.

Some of these memes that pit women against men in some gender war specifically assume a stance on gender binary that I don’t think 196 has ever been keen on. I know I am not the first to call this stuff out as TERF bullshit on this place.

For context, Moldemort does not describe herself as a TERF with “radical-feminism” from the 60’s. She sees herself as “a feminist”, despite allying herself with far-right figures that are in explicit opposition to current goals. It really doesn’t help with coalition building.

I know, I know that these are supposed to “just be memes”, but I really don’t think that some of these are “just memes” anymore. Beyond the regular agenda-posting, I am starting to think that the undercurrent of misandry in some of “those posts” are completely unironic, having gone from the rather typical loser-posting to straight up “I hate men”. How on earth do you post that??? Is this really a common sentiment??? Why is this getting upvoted in a leftist space???

Maybe someone else can post the “tell us about your ex” thing or shitting toothpaste idk

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    23 days ago

    having gone from the rather typical loser-posting to straight up “I hate men”

    Maybe I have just been missing this stuff, but I haven’t seen a whole lot of that at all, and I generally feel accepted in this space, and I think it’s pretty clear I am a cisgender man.

    Also, while it’s not a great thing to do, we have to accept that a lot of people here have truly experienced real trauma at the hands of cisgender men. Sure, they could be more forgiving of cisgender men who didn’t cause that pain for them, but when the majority of cisgender men fall into the kind of camp of men that hurt them, it seems a bit rude to tell them that they need to stop feeling that way. Especially with trauma, we can’t control our feelings very well, and if the feeling is “I cannot trust cisgender men, they are hurtful and dangerous people,” I can’t really fault someone who has experienced trauma for feeling that. Also, it’s the internet, people are just expressing how they feel, and they’re not necessarily trying to influence discourse a specific way.

    Just my two cents. In a safe space like this, I don’t think it’s necessarily misandry as much as people just speaking their truth and how they feel. Nobody is perfect, none of us is above this kind of behavior of excluding certain people because of the trauma we have experienced. I almost instantly distrust religious people, for example, and I really shouldn’t, some of them are genuinely kind, loving, and compassionate people. Yet, that feeling persists inside of me due to all the trauma I have experienced at the hands of the religious. I hope any of this makes sense. While we should want people to be better, we should also have the capacity to be forgiving of imperfection in this majority-trans safe space. This is one of the few spaces where people can really voice feelings like this and not instantly get dogpiled by misogyny and transphobia. I don’t necessarily see a good reason to take that personally or worry about it in the larger “discourse.” The people here don’t have the media presence or control like Moldemort does, they’re just people, and overall they’re socially they’re in the minority. This is where they should be free to express those feelings and not have other people act like it’s a problem to feel that way. They deserve that grace.

    • TheSambassador@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      22 days ago

      I’m actually 100% in agreement with your post except for this:

      when the majority of cisgender men fall into the kind of camp of men that hurt them

      Stating this as fact seems a bit dangerous here. Yes, we know there are absolutely terrible people out there, but how do you arrive at “the majority of men are terrible people?”