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    5 months ago

    Given I’m new to lemmy, I learned the difference between some of the instances. Specifically lemmy.ml 🙃.

    “Nah man, someone with good policy but they’re caucusing as a democrat? Don’t vote for them, they’re not calling for seizure of private property, they’re all scams!”

    So you want me…to vote for the conservative? Like, wut?

    “Start your own revolution!”

    Uh huh. I’m ready for the call, but just as Lenin himself argued, a single person like myself won’t help the people dying right now that way…the first person killed wouldn’t be a billionaire, it’d more likely be myself, friends, family, or neighbors given the state’s monopoly on violence.

    They told me to read State and Revolution. They weren’t expecting me to have already read it 🙃

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            5 months ago

            Tankies think that anyone trying to fix the system instead of burning it down is a fascist.

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              I mean the system does need to be burned down. You can’t fix a machine that’s doing exactly what it was designed to do. You tear it down, maybe repurpose some of the parts, and build a different machine that doesn’t do what the previous one did.

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                Despite how relatively rough it is now it’s not anywhere near as bad as it was in the “golden age” of the 50’s or any of the times monarchs have lost their heads. If the “burn it down” crowd can’t work with others then they’re not the people you want building a new nation.

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                  I work with others just fine. I do several different community volunteer projects every weekend, educate anyone willing to listen on how fucked everything is and how supporting any part of the uniparty will only continue to make things worse, join book clubs run by socialists, and help spread the word of actually good candidates at every level of government that run on third party platforms. This is how you begin the work to destroy and repurpose the machine.

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                    5 months ago

                    I’m glad you’re able to do those things. A lot of people talk the talk online without actually living it offline.

                    That being said, I think “the uniparty” is just another way of saying “both sides bad,” a phrase uttered by right-wingers and right-wingers who fancy themselves fence-sitters while exclusively attacking left-wing candidates.

                    It’s a term that sanitizes apalling right-wing behavior while downplaying the work of progressives who take beatings, from “friend” and foe, while trying to accomplish anything that actually helps people.

                    I’ve no doubt that I just angered a few tankies by even calling members of “the uniparty” progressives, but as I said they’ll call them “genocidal imperialist capitalists” regardless.

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              “trying to fix” = voting for genocidal imperialist capitalist political parties

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              The system that killed a hundred million Native Americans, did hundreds of years of African slavery, initiated countless illegal wars of aggression which resulted in tens of millions of civilian deaths, and is now actively burning the planet to a crisp? That’s the system you’re gonna fix?

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          Forgive me for using AI to make a summary but I don’t have the energy to write up a long winded explanation on it

          A tankie is usually a slang term for someone on the far left who defends or excuses authoritarian communist governments, especially the Soviet Union, Maoist China, or similar states.

          The name comes from people in Western communist parties who supported the Soviet Union sending tanks into places like Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 to crush uprisings. “Tankie” started as an insult from other leftists who thought that support was indefensible.

          The meme is joking about how some tankies can end up with political positions that don’t fit neatly on the normal left-right spectrum. For example, they might:

          Oppose capitalism (far left).

          Defend highly centralized states and strongman rulers.

          Support nationalism in certain countries.

          Excuse military invasions if done by states they like.

          Agree with parts of the far right on issues such as anti-Westernism or hostility toward liberal democracy.

          So the “stethoscope” shape is saying:

          Far left and far right are where you’d expect them to be, but tankies somehow wandered off the chart into their own weird political dimension.

          It’s a joke, not a serious political model, but it resonates because many people feel that hardline authoritarian communists often end up taking positions that seem disconnected from the usual left-right divide.

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      tankies are what you call, conservatives that never vote. conservatives large majority outvote left leaning groups, with alittle help of voter suppression.

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      5 months ago

      so lenin told you to vote for imperialist genocidal pedophile party

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        5 months ago

        Apparently the ongoing genocide in Palestine would be so much worse now under the evil witch Kamala Harris. There was no other choice but to enable Trump.

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          thats strawman but uniroincally more civilians died under biden administration

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          4 months ago

          Kamala “most lethal military in the world” Harris? Kamala “I wouldn’t have done anything differently than Biden” Harris? Hmmmm…