I hate reading the comments of all the capitulators here, carrying water for the regime by trying to discourage people with this constant drumbeat that protests are useless and ineffective. Bullshit. Are you magats? We’ve seen examples in history where protests and the movements they enabled have brought down those in power.
Protests are necessary but not sufficient in themselves. They’re how resistance starts and builds, not how it ends. Did you ever think it might take time to form the momentum to get to a critical mass, especially after decades of complacency? Real momentum and effective action was never going to happen immediately or in just weeks, or even in less than eight months which is where we are now. There are already people grouping and doing things other than protests (iykyk) and will be more, made possible by the support and cover that large numbers participating provide.
Troops are being moved into cities and they will keep being sent to more cities. Blue cities. There’s one reason for that–they want to intimidate people from turning out and use force to stop those who do. trump keeps saying so and plans are being implemented.
Point is, you may think it’s all useless and ineffective, but the regime obviously doesn’t. Why do you want to help them? If you think it’s hopeless, fine–stay home and doom scroll, but stop trying to dissuade others.
Troops are being moved into cities and they will keep being sent to more cities.
Which is important. Make them want to cover every city in America. The problem for them is that they can’t. There aren’t enough regular troops, National Guard, and ICE agents put together to make it work. They’ll be spread too thin.
That really highlights the importance of protests. If it was just New York it would fail. If it was just Chicago it would fail. If it were just LA it would fail. If we signal that we’re all going to work together on this, they can’t possibly do it.
I wish I could sticky this.
Trump could get overthrown tomorrow and Lemmy Europeans would find a way to bitch about it
Is it Europeans? I thought the US left is way more puritanical than us
Yeah, probably. They’ve been suppressed for so long that they’re itching to use violent tactics when they don’t really understand how violence is a careful, strategic tool for the left.
A ton of Europeans here hold the belief anything less than storming the street and shooting people isn’t a worthy way to protest in America and they will tell you as much.
Not really, personally I and a lot of Europeans hold the belief that in order for anything to be done you actually need to be doing those things. Sorry I can’t share your happiness about a bunch of people walking around the street that one time, while your child rapist in chief rapes both you and the rest of the world.
Don’t like criticism of your inaction, actually do something about it.Not really, personally I and a lot of Europeans hold the belief that in order for anything to be done you actually need to be doing those things.
Not just Europeans on this team. Watching from Canada and being told nothing can be done but a street march on a sunny Saturday while our own governing schmucks start instituting laws to appease and move our country toward fascism on the lead of the fuckers south of us, is god damn terrifying.
I won’t be silent about it either. About 'murica or Canada. 'muricuns are letting a fascist dictator control them and affect lots of others around the world. Canadians are allowing our PM to do the same just much slower and with more smiles and handshakes.
Damn those Europeans, always bitching about Trump being overthrown. Well, he isn’t overthrown actually, instead he has more and more power by the day and Americans don’t do anything effective about it. And those pesky Europeans keep bitching about things that happening instead of being happy about imaginary things that aren’t happening.
Now if we could just repeat that success consistently.
Coordinate another date, and I’ll participate in that one too.
Next one is Sept 1st.
If NYC residents could do one on 9/11 that would get some solid coverage. Fill the memorial. Remind people Saudi Arabia is a part owner of this regime with Russia.
Putin, the House of Saud, and Netanyahu all have serious hooks into the orangeboi regime - and to a lesser but still significant extent, the vast majority of the entire US political apparatus and media sphere.
I don’t like how two of the protests they’ve scheduled have been on holiday weekends when people are traveling or have big plans and cannot safely participate (Easter weekend and now Labor Day weekend). The No Kings protest was huge partly because it wasn’t on a holiday weekend. It seems very counter intuitive to have them on holiday weekends.
Signed up but didn’t like idea of giving my name and email to do so.
No need to sign up. I sure as hell don’t. The less data out there on me the better IMO.
Thank you for saying it. I’m not putting my name on a list, but I’ll certainly participate. I bet we aren’t the only ones. Whatever the signup count, it’s probably at least double that willing to also take action.
Then don’t to do so.
No Kings III
Thank you!
There’s not a single one listed for Wisconsin?!?
The fifty fifty one movement has been organizing protests usually about monthly and you can find them pretty easily on their site
Next widespread one I see planned is 9/1 for Labor Day.
Next time on a weekday, please.
peaceful protest is allowed by the constitution because it is ineffective
a riot is the language of the unheard
nobody in the world has ever won their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people oppressing them
One of the factors in whether a nonviolent resistance movement can succeed or not is whether any state forces end up shifting loyalty. “Appealing to the moral sense of the people oppressing them” may be false if you’re just talking about whoever’s at the top, but it absolutely is a factor for the day-to-day bureaucrats and security forces. Nonviolent campaigns are more likely to cause these sorts of changes (particularly when violent crackdowns against nonviolent resistance backfires).
Consider the success of the following movements:
- Peoples Power Revolution (First one in 1986) - several military leaders defected from the Marcos regime
- Velvet Revolution (1989) - had several government officials defect
- Malagasy Political Crisis (2002) - Defense minister resigned, generals and military officers were split on who to support (source for this one, since the article is hard to find). In fairness, although this one would largely be classified as nonviolent, at the time, it was hard to say whether or not there would be any armed conflict (aside from some incidents with police attacking protesters early in the movement)
There’s several other cases of this happening over the past century, but I hope you get my point - nobody’s appealing to the guy on the throne, they’re appealing to all the other cogs in the machine.
History teaches us when protests and marches go unacknowledged riots and civil disobedience follow
And we’re all reaping the benefits of it, right? RIGHT???
Non-violent protest only works against those who have a conscience, with is NOT MAGAts.
I humbly disagree. Protests can have a massive economic impact if they reach critical mass. Acts of violence also need a critical mass, but convincing people to protest is far easier than convincing them to commit acts of violence.
Don’t go to work, block all traffic, don’t pay taxes, stop spending, attack all opposition. With enough participation, we can crash the economy in a single day and regain control within a week. Getting people to do what is necessary en masse is the hard part. Things will have to get worse before we get there.
Its all about the disruption. But protesting isn’t the only thing that people should be doing. Community building is just as important if not more so.
100%
I do realize your username is literally GuyFawkes. Nevertheless, when somebody is doing wrong, the first approach should be to use reason and empathy as a point of argument. If that fails, then work to starve the oppressor of what they seek to exploit until they find that pursuit to be no longer in their interests. If that fails, then use whatever means necessary to ensure oppression ends and human rights that were once willingly suppressed instead become guaranteed.
Ok but step 1 has been thoroughly explored and this administration didn’t delay their agenda for a second. Step 2 requires massive legal reform tandem with a functional judiciary, given that profit, capital, and power consolidation are what they seek. Unfortunately they’re winning that battle as the judiciary and legal system are only degrading despite public outcry.
Oh yes, I am aware. The person I was replying to had implied that step 2 didn’t exist at all so I was making a more broad statement.
Did you go? Did you talk to anyone when you were there? Have you spoken with them since? If your answer is no, then you’re just a loud bystander, who gives a fuck what you think. If all you know how to do is blow things up, then STFU and do it. Otherwise, try actually participating.
Non violent protests might take time but it will give good results. Even against violent oppressors.
Violent protests might feel direct, might show results immediately. But those might not be what you would like. Violence only begets violence.
watches protest footage “yeah that cop clearly shot the reporter from behind in self defense”
… Among a billion other examples
How do the violent ones go?
I heard there was one in Boston a while back. Started a war.
Well, the country was founded by one, so there’s that.
Let’s find out
Every country is founded on and survives via violence.
Better than sitting around with a sign. Things actually happen.
Everyone had a good time, then went home and nothing was changed.
Because we’re still all under the delusion that we live in a civilized country with laws and fairness.
I think if people here had ever actually been in a fascist dictatorship before, those marches wouldn’t have ended with everyone going home and sharing pictures on social media, it would have ended with capitol buildings set ablaze and an embarrassed and disheveled president being dragged out to a military tribunal or locked in a jail cell until trial.
You know, the thing that actually happens in places where this has happened before.
Eventually the fascist will infiltrate and incite violence so they can move in and kill.
I think that peaceful and defiant protest are the anvil and hammer of social reform. Without each other, it is hard to change society into a more useful shape. These two wings are part of the same animal, and only work if they cooperate.
The Black Panthers were great, because they created social programs like feeding schoolchildren, while offering physical protection to the people under their care. We need Rainbow Panthers to help support the MLKs and Malcoms of our day.
It’s important to note how the Black Panthers used “violence”. There were very few incidents where they actually fired their guns, and when they did, they were arguably baited into doing it by the FBI and local cops.
Their best tactic was just hanging around with an AK on their back while a cop did their racial profiling thing to somebody else. They’d keep a book of laws handy and give the person advice from the sidelines. If they didn’t have a gun, the cop would likely have found some pretext to arrest them and that’d be it. With a gun, the cop thinks twice and puts up with it. It wasn’t there to actually be fired, but to make sure everyone behaved themselves.
This was so effective they changed California’s open carry law to stop it. It’s estimated that there were only around 100 Black Panthers at the time.
While media attention is often focused on actors acquiescing to Trump’s demands, in the streets the popular protest movement continues to push back against the administration with notable persistence over time.
No lie, that’s some good news.
Largest days of protest so far
great
now do it again, but really show that you mean business. in a way that the fascists will understand and be scared of
It’s good to see people politically animated, but these protests are largely ‘controlled opposition’. It’s an emergency venting valve where the people’s frustration is channeled into a meaningless whistle.
The whole system is rotted. The democrats are not fighting for the small folk at all. If anything, a branch of the party is probably relieved that the republicans moved the overton window so far right.
Real change will require actual upheaval. You can’t vote or protest your way out of this shit. Major civilian disobedience and unionizing is required across the board. There are some of us (working class) that are doing some unassuming maintenance in the orphan crushing machine. We won’t get anywhere as long as people are operating their evil cog as normal. These protests won’t do anything as long as it’s being directed through the democrat pressure valve, as it is built in as a safety device in the orphan crushing machine.
Sweet, keep up brave Americans!
Good for the USA.
They had a moment, made funny signs, took some pictures, felt good about themselves.
Now Trump is rolling a military buildup in the country’s capitol. We all know how this is going to end.
Good job. Pat yourselves on the back. You achieved fucking nothing.
Good, and we will do it again and again!
Needs to be done weekly
