Yesterday, a Declaration of the trafficking of enslaved Africans and Racialized Chattel Enslavement of Africans as the Gravest Crime against Humanity was voted at UNO. As usual, Israel and the USA voted against. How did your country vote? Any thoughts about it?
wtf ireland, sweden, ukraine, united kingdom, canada, japan, iceland, hungary?
Abstaining feels like it is just as bad as voting no.
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Yeah in a parliamentarian position I guess abstention is different from saying no, especially when the legislation has the votes.
But I guess what I was trying to articulate is that it feels like they are respecting? the no votes by abstaining, IE not contradicting.
This feels like a serious cop out on an issue as absurdly black and white as actual Chattel slavery.
Edit: Good point though about reservations on the text, we don’t know what it said, although that defense can also apply to the No’s as well, which is why I shied away from it.
What we do know is that the full title includes “as the Gravest Crime against Humanity” and I can fully respect countries having reservations against that when there are other similarly horrible crimes. I don’t know why Germany abstained but I figure that some people might be pretty angry at them if they declared the slave trade was worse than the holocaust.
yup, the reason I left them off my initial list of call outs precisely.
Edit: Curious if any grammar pros have an thoughts on the statement specifically, what is implied by it? Does it mean gravest of all time? Gravest currently occurring? Those are my concerns and things we / (I) don’t precisely know from the context of this post.
Yeah the wording there seems odd. Why do we have to specify that its the greatest? There are plenty of terrible crimes to go around, and it seems a bit off to make it a competition as to which one was the worst. Plus, we probably don’t even know about most crimes against humanity because they happened in e.g. ancient Mesopotamia wheres no records were kept
Good insight. That is more to consider than initial thoughts.
Lemmy doesn’t understand three states. You’re either with us or you’re a literal Nazi paedophile.
Europe in general just abstaining. Mostly.
It really feels like standing their ground on past “glories” to me.
Why is that surprising? Ireland is sometimes better, I would suppose, but Sweden, Ukraine, UK, Canada, Japan, Iceland, and Hungary are all pretty damn right-wing and pro-imperialist.
because us liberals idolize other western countries as enlighted white paradises
Checks out.
Why am I even surprised by the US being the US anymore.
“Hey you know this thing thats super bad?”
“Of course we’ve known it’s bad for many years now”
“Well we should officially condemn it.”
“Whoa whoa let’s hold up and think about that for a second.”
Just think of all the money the US could make though! There must be a way to profit from it.
I don’t know the wording on the declaration itself, but it’s distinctly possible that the US prison system is in direct opposition to it.
You only posted half of the title.
Declaration of the Trafficking of Enslaved Africans and Racialized Chattel Enslavement of Africans as the Gravest Crime against Humanity
The “Gravest Crime against Humanity” part honestly explains why so many countries abstained.
The slave trade was an absolute atrocity and certainly one of the gravest crimes against humanity but should we label it as the gravest crime? Do we really need to introduce a ranking between slavery, the holocaust and dozens of other genocides instead of agreeing that they are/were all bad without picking one as the worst?
Yeah, exactly. Why make it a competition? The wording is honestly just bizarre
Future cyberpunk dystopias be like
It’s possibly the fact that it specifies the enslavement of Africans too. I don’t know much about this, but would that sound like it’s minimising other countries experiences, or current slavery?
Edit: clarified a sentence
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The abstaining countries mostly has a Problem with “the gravest crime against humanity”, because there should be no ranking in crimes against humanity.
Where do you place the Holocaust, the holodomor, the crusades? The conquest of the americas?
Side thing, but I don’t see the Crusades as at the same level of the Holocaust or the Holodomor. They were religious wars of conquest not campaigns of extermination. They were brutal, sure, but if you add them, then you have to start piling a bunch of other wars in there too, like the Mongol conquests, the Timurid conquests, the Arab conquests, the Ottoman conquests, the Aztec conquests etc. Which kind of dilutes the point of “grave crimes”.
There is nothing particularly unique about the Crusades, and at the time, the Roman Empire that invited them and tried to sanction them actually had a legitimate claim of them being reconquests of Roman territory (even though they ended up killing it off anyway in 1204).
But you recognise a ranking is not helping the thing?
The crusades involved kicking muslims and jews out of the land. It was definitely a genocide and there is some genocide that are worse than others
Bullshit excuse
Bullshit counterargument
The transatlantic slavery trade lasted 400 years there was definitely more death caused by it than the Holocust .
Yeah, sure, it was a semantic problem. Not a reperations problem. /s
My disappointment in the US continues to be consistent and expected.
It’s the Same Map As Always, USA + vassals Vs Rest of the World.
Is it? It’s not really subtle.
The yearly vote about blockade on Cuba is kind of an exception, even EU and the Oceanian Plankton usually vote “for”.
My favourite is the voting about combating the glorification of nazism, really says all
So this one is interesting to me because of the rhetoric used by the Ruzzianz during the early days of the Ukraine “Special Military Operation”.
Lots of talk about going into Ukraine and de-nazifying.
Curious if that played into this vote in any way, considering this vote occurred right in the middle of that. Poor form not to bring up this VERY important context.
You’re downplaying the systemic proliferation of neo-nazi groups like Azov in Ukraine, and the west’s collective complicity in creating the conditions for that.
I think you’re overplaying them, possibly because you’re highly affected by propaganda from those nations.
Can you elaborate? Do you think the global south near universally agreeing that Nazism is bad also means that they are highly affected by propaganda from those nations? Could it not be said that you’re highly affected by propaganda from western countries? Without backing your claims, that’s all they are, just claims.
Of fucking course you nazi lovers would have problems with combating the glorification of the nazism and justify this with the fact that you do support nazis.
dude you just took this from zero to one hundred, this is a legitimate point of discussion on the topic at hand especially when you consider the date of the vote. If you think based on anything I have written that I am a nazi or nazi supporter I have several bridges for sale that might interest you.
Chill out.
You immediately throw yourself to add the vErY iMpOrTaNt cOnTexT that the countries voting against combating the glorification of nazism voted as such not only because they happen to currently support country where glorification of nazism is officially supported, but they also did it because they are being so petty to vote just because they oppose the country presenting the resolution.
Especially completely shameful for country like Poland which lost 6 million people to nazi murderers.
Edit: Just kidding I see the clear label on the chart.
was this an identical declaration? what vote was this?
I fucking hate it here. Every god damn report is just like “USA is dystopian fascist hellhole” and I wish I could do something.
Then I remember my card declined for groceries this week and I get one step closer to being radicalized into political violence
You can get organized! Join an org like PSL.
Come on, dude, it’s not you. We should be pissed off, and we should do something about it, but also we have to be as smart as possible.
hit the gym delete facebook join a community organization (lots of us there)
These words never rang more true.
South Korea voting in favor of the resolution is surprising. They are team America and they were enslaved, but are not included in the resolution because they were not shipped to the Americas. Seeing one’s own enslavement as not as grave as the African one is a statement.
The ROK has a more complicated geopolitical position. They are actively colonized by the US Empire, and have a government that carried over many of the former colonial elements under Japan. They voted the same way the DPRK did.
“Actively colonized”, “US Empire”, boy you use a lot of propaganda-charged phrases.
What do you mean by “propaganda-charged?” We all speak in manners that conform to our present views. The USFK occupies the ROK and meddles in their internal and external affairs in a manner that supercedes domestic law and rights, and the US Empire is actively terrorizing the world and plundering the global south of the value created by them.
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India said yes. We were kind of enslaved by the Britishers.
Wrong
I don’t support the “Gravest Crime against Humanity” wording in the resolution, so I have no problems with the way my country voted.
There’s a pattern lead by the US, but they are all different, in my opinion. Where are you from? How did your country vote? How do you feel about it?
Here’s the map of the vote to really drive the point home.
It’s always the same map
Abstention from Canada? wtf…
Tangential but I swear no one talks about how insanely racist Argentina is. Just look at things that happen in footy there
