• GrouchyGrouse [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Even if I was a big fan and trusted the CIA and other alphabet agencies I don’t think I’d be trusting the version being helmed by whatever cronies haven’t bailed

    Like it’s such a huge turn to make in your head to read headline after headline of all the old barnacles retiring because of Trump’s antics and to just assume that what - good people filled those vacuums? The CIA is still good now that all the ones that found Trump odious have bailed? What?

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        2 months ago

        We’re going live to “the actor who played Jim on The Office,” he says that even though the entire upper echelon is made out of kids too racist to vibe-code for Doge, the rank-and-file officers of the CIA are stalwart patriots that keep us safe

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            Fun fact, mormons working for the CIA are given a special… I forget the internal name for it, so lets call it… indulgence. They’re allowed to break whatever doctrine they deem fit, no spiritual or organizational consequences, on account of they’re doing our Heavenly Father’s work on earth don’t you know.

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                True on the United States… but capitalism? The church doesn’t have too firm a stance on economic systems. That kind of thing usually gets thrown under “worldly matters”. There’s some historical experiments with church-led socialism, which get talked about as a failure because it was “too soon and people weren’t/aren’t ready for it”.

                And in the 20th century, Utah actually had quite a lot of social safety-nets and structures for aid, mostly organized through the Relief Society. But… key word there is “had”. The Relief Society is not the organization it once was. Market forces corrode all things and now, functionally, the church acts more as a tax-free hedge fund more than anything. But that’s not given much ideological emphasis. It’s not given much emphasis at all, really.

                What really squares the circle here is “personal revelation”. Members are encouraged to pray on things and follow their instincts, because that’s God letting you know what you should do. Effectively: believe what you like so long as it doesn’t directly contradict church teachings. So the sort of member that would choose a CIA career is also the sort of member who thinks God acts through the market and prosperity is a sign of being right. There’s a lot of membership who think along those lines, but you also get some crunchy hippy-lite mormons who are more interested in food pantries.

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                  the LDS has an investment fund of over $100 billion dollars that they pay zero taxes on. Massive organized churches do alms and charity to help their members, but they are anything but socialist.