Someone who disagrees with our current actions in the middle east but is (to an unknown degree) buying into the idea that Israel is controlling the USA.

  • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    6 days ago

    idk how a person could be aware of the epstein shit and the vast breadth of the conspiracy with everything involved, see that next to how the U.S. treats Israel, and think that Israel does not have a significant degree of influence over the U.S. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, a “vassal” isn’t allowed to act the way Israel does. If you see no difference in the U.S.-Israel relationship and the relationship between the U.S. and like, any country in Europe, I think you’re blind. Vassals show deference, Israel is essentially constantly posturing as “And what are you gonna do about it?” to the U.S., and yes, that is despite Israel’s continued existence hinging on U.S. support.

    I think people continuing to argue over this is just a testament to how incredibly effective Israel’s “Israel = all jews, criticizing Israel = doing an antisemitism” propaganda push has been.

    • Damarcusart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      There’s a world of difference between “Israel is vital the US’s plans in the middle east and is given a lot more leeway than their other more spineless (and less useful) vassals” and “Israel are the sinister puppet masters behind the curtain controlling everything bad in the world ever and the only solution is that the untermensch Juden must be destroyed.”

      To a layperson with no historical or material understanding, ideas of “Israel gets away with things because they control the US, not the other way around.” will just convince them that the Nazis were right all along. Our goal is to educate, not to provide more ammo for fascists.

    • fannin [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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      6 days ago

      I don’t think “Jews support genocide” should be any more controversial as a stand alone statement than “whites support genocide”. It’s obviously not always true just almost always true. The two state solution is still genocide.