People really trust it? Like it’s been so wrong on things for me, I automatically skip to search results past it. Why bother anymore
google search has been trash even before ai, i believe its one of the reasons chatgpt got so much traction. first 2 pages are just generic slop with paywalled or ad-infested content.
i switched to kagi 2 years ago and its has relevant results on page 1 that i won’t get in google even after 10s of pages. plus i don’t bombed with ads for that term for weeks.
they purposefully fucked up the search so people would have to click more pages to find their answer, giving google a chance to display more ads.
I use extensions to block AI results… having to skip past them is annoying
I still find it weird that people don’t use Kagi for search. At least start page or ddg. Google hasn’t been useful for five ish years and admitted in court that they damaged results to prop up ads.
People on Twitter regularly go “@grok is this true” to everything and trust the AI to be correct.
The same AI that said the fresh photo of National Guard members sleeping on the floor was from 2021…
I know several people in my community who confidently trust it for search. they are not stupid people… but sometimes I question their choices
Yup, I’ve been seeing more and more people straight use AI results to support their arguments.
Depends on what it is. As a reference lookup for a simple programming function and with an example, it’s been a game changer.
Watch his recent interview with Nilay Patel from The Verge. Watching him dance around questions about this was painful.
This man only cares about increasing Alphabet stock prices to ensure as large a golden parachute as possible on the way out.
Which is such a shortsighted move because as soon as all the news portals close shop Google’s scraper will have nothing relevant to summarize and is gonna be shit.
That’s when Google will buy what ever is left of Condé Nast or Buzzfeed at bottom dollar and start using more AI to shit out “news”.
Nothing is stopping the AI summaries from using social media as the primary source
So social media are news outlets now. Good. Glad we cleared that up.
Seems inevitable 😮💨
In the context of my original comment, social media companies like Meta and Reddit have fought tooth and nail to not be considered news networks or news outlets specifically because they don’t want to be beholden to the laws that regulate news outlets/networks. Jeopardizing their ineligibility to be sued for what users post (in the US) by going all in on AI LLM’s scrapers when those scrapers rely pretty heavily on news networks and other media to stay useful means they’ll starve themselves of AI scraped content, and that they’ll potentially forfeit what protections against lawsuits they have. It’s a no win situation for them to continue to bet on AI which has already largely reached the limit of what it’s capable of in current iterations because of the lack of clean organic training data.
It’s a huge disaster in the making. There’s probably a game theory model that explains what’s happening but damned if i know it. AI is a trap.
At the beginning of LLMs as a consumer tech phase, the big tech companies believed that they would soon generate synthetic data without human labor costs. But synthetic data caused model collapse when used as training data. So they still need humans.
But now their competitors are using scrapers and summarizers and those are expensive so they have to extract more value from search traffic and that means fewer referrals to sites. Fewer referrals to sites reduces original content and leadabto less traffic and training data for their models.
The only two ways out are to create an international regulatory body ornto break up facebook, microspft, and google.
I do respect your optimism, but realistically, I doubt they’re forfeiting anything. Fox News broadcasts blatant lies daily. All they had to do was a behind the scenes rebranding.
Fox news isn’t legally considered a news outlet. In fact we have literally seen them admit to not being one in court proceedings.
Can’t wait for Google to AI-summarize AI-generated social media posts for artificial Google users created to hike ad prices. It’s gonna be wild
The robots only want to hang out with the robots.
“Every day, we send billions of clicks to websites, and connecting people to the web continues to be a priority,” a Google spokesperson said in a statement. “New experiences like AI Overviews and AI Mode enhance Search and expand the types of questions people can ask, which creates new opportunities for content to be discovered.”
They followed up with: “You can totally trust me, and everything I just said. I am absolutely definitely not lying.”
Google wants it all this time. No traffic for anyone but them after they steal all your content.
They saw what AOL tried to do and decided they can make it work.
AOL? Like the company that was always giving away those free coasters and frisbees?
Most news sites ask me to consent to google tracking or pay, neither of which am I prepared to do in almost all cases. I am sure I am not alone in this. Their decision to align with google in this way is more than a turn off, it is an indication of their untrustworthiness.
I shouldn’t need to explain why I do everything I can to avoid being tracked by the likes of google. The idea that I will pay to be subject to propaganda died with the 20th century. If news outlets want my eyes on their pages they need to come up with a way to make it worth my time.
We need new search. Really we need a new web.
Blockchain’s immutability might serve a public record of ‘news’, even moreso if combined with certificate verified identity on information disseminating ‘social’ media. The blockchain could actually be useful in this case. You don’t have to link your irl identity to your internet identity everywhere, but it might not be a bad idea in the areas of information disseminating social media. These are just idle thoughts.
Edit - I saw a post today purporting to be a twitter screen grab of a James Woods post with a reply. The James Woods post was a screengrab of a video, supposedly of the current LA riots, with a comment along the lines of: Democrats can’t talk about peaceful protest and support this. Following this was a reply saying ‘this video is from 2020’.
I have no idea if either or both of these tweets happened, if the video was from 2020, or if either person were who they said they were! With the blockchain’s immutability you could verify all of this automatically, and algorithmically reduce the reach of repeat offenders’ posts.
There is a lot of value in this in terms of public discourse.
Similar processes could happen with both scientific/academic papers and government policy v. outcomes.
It might change the nature of the public debate.
