The New York Times released an anti-trans podcast packed with disinformation. However, one of the most interesting portions was the interview with the first patient to take blockers.

The narrator repeatedly steps in to assure listeners that these individuals are “different” from transgender people in America today, emphasizing that their “protocol” was different. The intent is transparent: to cast the progress in gender medicine and the increased accessibility of care in a negative light rather than a step forward.

It’s no surprise, then, that the podcast builds toward what feels like its ultimate argument: that the truth doesn’t lie with Jamie Reed or with trans advocates, but rather with Dr. Hillary Cass in the United Kingdom. Cass is granted an entire episode to present a one-sided view of transgender care.