Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.
I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.
The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.
I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.
The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.
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We will be adding the isntreal cool emoji.
We are discussing the mod actions taken against z poster.
We are discussing taking mod actions against some of the users making reactionary statements regarding the addition of the emoji.
We express our strongest and most heartfelt apologies to all the users but especially our Arab and Muslim users for this.
We should have added the emoji months ago.We should have added the emoji months ago once it was requested.We will have an open floor meta post to try and work through the tension but I want to humbly ask everyone to please try and speak to each other in good faith while taking a charitable interpretation of other users.
As discussed in the ND meta post we should try to be patient with each other with regard to written communication.
This is a justifiably so very important and emotionally elevated topic and we truly want to do right by the users as well as the volunteers of the site.
Please keep the discussion to specific mod actions rather than general/vague meta comments.
There are those on the mod team that appretiate zposter and those that dislike his hostility and tendency to take the least charitable interpretation. You can see his moderation history on the origonal zposter account as well as the current one to see he has had actions taken not related to his stance on the emoji.
In closing the only finalized thing is adding the emoji, I would like us to try and discuss the other topics without getting too hostile at each other please
Here’s a deal from you to me
I’ll go away forever if you make the flag emoji :Z:
and remove from moderation one Nakoichi
You know what my opinion is
SHOOT DOWN THIS FLAG!!!
Witnessed One Piece
Admired One Piece
Noticed One Piece
I love the emojis here
You know what would make them even better?
A succulent 🇮🇱🔥?
YEA
the prior Hexbear party line
Was it really a “party line”? I’m sorry to put it this way but I remember that there was at least an element of appeasement, due to your previous position towards the matter.
I was actually surprised to see no mention of your previous decision* as Emote Czar in the most recent thread on this issue.
*Wasn’t there an ultimatum? Genuine question.
I want to make one thing clear: At this point, I find refusing to allow a silly little burning israeli flag to stand along side all the other burning flags to be an act of zionism. I find claiming the zionist flag represents jews to be antisemitic.
I don’t think it’s acceptable to say
is permitted and yet a burning isreali flag is not. just picked a random flag for that example i dont particularly care about brazil-cool.if an anti-semite joins the site and uses an emote in an anti-semitic way, the problem is the anti-semites anti-semitism, and not the emote.
you shouldn’t tell people to kill themselves even if their comments make you angry.
zionism is one of the worlds greatest evils and burning the flag is good and throwing a stink over people wanting an emote to go alongside all the other burning flags is a defense of zionism.
again, conflating the zionist flag with judaism is anti-semitic.
i guess that was more than one thing
i think that’s everything goodnight(not towards comrade whyesseff but towards certain admin(s) and/or mod(s) and also users, you know if you did this)
Unban zposter and the people that were accused of being their “alts” with insanely circumstantial evidence. Apologize for calling fellow users antisemites, incels etc. Log off. Reflect.
Death to america and its dog israel.
Sharia Law Z here, I was logging in to make a post for my cakeday and was randomly banned. Bad timing I guess. My name is a Dragonball Z reference
Zionist gets to stay
People mad at a mod get banned
@liberal@hexbear.net @WhyEssEff@hexbear.net which one of you was this? Can you please explain to me whats wrong with calling someone who was being a smartass and supporting zionist arguments a “dumb fucking white monkey”? Is there anything wrong with being hostile to users who *leave comments that functionally support fascism?
Crakkkers gonna crakkker ig. Zionist talking points treated less seriously than calling a smug white what they are.
Damn right, just realized that while they removed my comment, the dozens of downright antisemetic fascist “the holocaust caused the nakba”/“pissrael == all jews” hasbara talking points that professor_owl shat out earlier are still up. What a fucking joke.
Counterpoint
: All emojis 
should be banned 
to address the literacy 
crisis on this website 
Maybe we can earn emojis like gold star stickers for participating in reading groups
Monetisation option. We can pay $5 to burn any flag
Burning flag gacha
I got a good pull. A foil america AND a shiny england
noooo you cant make me read theory
Oh that’s actually a good idea. Combine that with emoji monetization for new account tier called hexbear+ for unlimited emoji access after watching a 30 second ad per emoji use and it’ll be perfect to roll out to the masses such as the dearly beloved reader parsing these words right at this very moment.
Thank you for reading this.
(this emoji costed $2.99 to deploy, before tax)can the ad be this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw
That can be the lucky star ad that let’s users access two emojis for the price of one, after digital shipping and handling, which by doing so adds a gacha element to our ad reels thus
pulling in even more rubesattracting additional potential valued customers to the site as a whole and improving the site culture with a level of competitiveness that can only come from turning hexbear into a live service.
~~The current emote for it is terrible. What’s with the fist? ~~ Ok apparently it’s the symol of the Stern Gang so it’s not terrible, but it still muddies the message. The message should be clearly and unequivocably: fuck the nation-state of Israel, and making it the one flag that doesn’t get a burning emoji is still treating it with kid gloves. Giving that flag special consideration is not ok and is disrespectful to all the innocent people who’ve been murdered by that military base masquerading as a country.
It’s antisemitic to conflate Israel with Judaism. Presumably everyone here knows this and doesn’t need that explained. As such I do not understand the official Hexbear party line that burning the flag of the country that is actively and enthusiastically committing the active, lethal, exterminationist phase of genocide, “looks antisemitic”.
We already get smeared as secret Trumpers by liberals whose brains have been too broken by 9 years of seething over Russiagate cope in order to understand anything. We already get smeared as antisemites by Zionist freaks who think that nobody could care about Palestinians because Palestinians are humans (Zionists do not acknowledge that Palestinians are people), so anybody who says they care about Palestinians must actually just be antisemitic. Pandering to Zionists is not going to make them stop being hateful genocidal freaks.
The optics or having a burning isntreali flag will be confrontational and offensive. But confrontation is what is needed at this moment in history. Not pandering to genocidal fascists. If someone sees that flag and feels uncomfortable, that’s an opportunity for them to do some learning and reflection about why they’d feel uncomfortable with it, and why their feelings matter more than criticizing the entity that has enthusiastically murdered what, at least 100,000 civilians by now?
Thinking back to my religious days: If anyone had told me that burning the flag of ISIS was not ok because it’s Islamophobic to burn ISIS’s flag, I’d have called them a white radlib crackkker, emphasis on the Ks, because equating ISIS and Islam is super hateful toward Islam and extremely disrespectful to all the Muslims ISIS has killed and brutalized.
It’s not a 1:1 comparison but there’s something transferable.
Related: In 2019 I heard this interview with 3 Jewish MLs who disavowed not only Israel, but the Magen David itself! They went way further in their condemnation than anyone on this site ever does! They said it was a very painful journey to get to that stance, but that’s their stance, because Israel has weaponized the Star of David. They argue that other symbols should be used instead, symbols of Judais which have not been used to terrorize, brutalize, oppress, and murder Middle-Easterners. They suggested alternatives such as the hamsa or the pomegranate. They also went pretty deep into the history of symbols in Judaism and argued against the Star on other historical/symbolic grounds which I didn’t really follow, not having the cultural background and context.
I thought it was interesting to hear their personal struggles with the symbolism and their attachment to it. I decided while it was interesting, I wasn’t able to take a stance on it since I’m not Jewish and the Star of David on the Israeli flag is a co-opted symbol. But I think it’s worth a listen for anyone who’s struggling with their relationship with these symbols: https://prolespod.libsyn.com/website/special-release-proles-of-the-minyan-ep-1-symbolism-under-zionist-hegemony-dc-dyke-march-the-magen-david-hamsa-flag
Lastly, I was going to take this moment to complain about how the israel-cool emote used to bring up a picture of Hawaiian musician and indigenous rights activist Israel Kamakawiwoʻole, and how disgusting and disrespectful that was. But I see it’s been changed.
burn the flag of the genocidal apartheid.
also add burning flags for the nordics too pls
also add burning flags for the nordics too pls
Hard agree. Those smug little succdems have had it too good for too long.
I vote in favor of the real flag.
I want to commend OP for your work to make the site more fun for us all, and for providing us with this example of self reflection and comradely discussion around challenging and painful topics. You are showing the type of communication ability that many here could learn from, particularly as leftists and organizers.
I also think z poster should be unbanned but that’s probably a topic for a different thread. I don’t think z poster is a wrecker, they are clearly a leftist and a hardline anti imperialist and they are no more abrasive than the people they got into it with
I also think z poster should be unbanned
I agree and wasn’t actually aware they had a bunch of ban evasion alts, but that’s a topic for another thread.
Pretty sure the vast majority, if not all of his bans, basically go back to this one struggle session.
it’s cop behaviour to keep someone around then arrest them on charges you were ignoring the moment you hate them.
Well, ban evasion alts is a different story, though, right?
If the original bans were unjust and it’s a user who wants to participate in this community because there are almost no alternatives, it seems cruel to use them trying to come back to the place they want to be as an excuse to ban them.
1: Add the emoji. Having the exemption for the zionist rag is accepting the zionist point that they represent Judaism and Jews as a whole. This is antisemitic.
2: Ban professorowl_PhD. Calling people holocaust supporters for saying the flag should be burned is an identical position to zionists like the judge who recently banned it in
. If someone were to lock the doors or a zionist barracks and burn it down, would that be bad because it’s like the Holocaust, or should it be celebrated as an act of resistance?2: Ban professorowl_PhD. Calling people holocaust supporters for saying the flag should be burned is an identical position to zionists like the judge who recently banned it in . If someone were to lock the doors or a zionist barracks and burn it down, would that be bad because it’s like the Holocaust, or should it be celebrated as an act of resistance?
Complete agreement with you on this. It is an absurd situation where z_poster gets banned for being completely correct about this while professorowl is just doing rote zionist hasbara without consequence.
+1, I would also like to see a self crit from the admin who did the “holocaust emote” line.
That same admin also dismissed Zposter (under an alt) saying their mods make death threats when said mod has multiple comments removed for making death threats and one for telling Zposter they should die
Which admin did this? I was the one who linked a mod basically ignoring the case of SeekTheDeletion being told to die, and I only saw a mod, not admin.
Nakoichi told Zposter to die by saying something like “touch six feet under” instead of touch grass
Can any news mega heads confirm something?
spoilered in case my info was wrong
That Nakoichi was the mod who harrased away @aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net, a prominent global south user?
I know, I brought it up myself. I meant to ask which admin, not mod, had been defending that incident.
FWIW I think they meant this thread in which Lyudmila essentially said to get over it, which I think is inappropriate regardless of how uncouth the user in question was being.
I cannot imagine being so mad about a single removed comment deep in an interpersonal argument that was litigated over a year ago. You keep coming back and banging a drum about the same three or four personal squabbles unendingly. It’s like a depressing, terminally online ultraleftist version of Groundhog Day.
Dont like being told to die? God you’re so online stop being dramatic.
Jesus Christ
i swear to god i don’t login for a weekend because i have a life outside this stupid ass website and every time i do this i come back to some 500+ comment thread about the dumbest shit i’ve ever seen in my life.
time and time again it is the usual suspects too
allow the damn emote and unban whoever was banned for it. tell Nakoichi to calm the fuck down and ban all the fucking zionist owls (sorry it has to be this way)
If you’d stop logging out on weekends none of this would happen
I agree, this is all @abc’s fault
I always found the original argument silly that the flag of pissrael represents all jews worldwide and that burning it is antisemitism. I’m glad we’re correcting this because in a way it was saying to our arab comrades that “hey you can’t burn that flag of your oppressors because of, like, optics”. We’re all leftists on here and principled ones to know what that flag represents. Besides
is waaay more inflammatory than burning a flag, since it’s associated with videos of IDF getting blown up, versus people peacefully protesting by flag burning.
