It’s their culture too, Americans didn’t spontaneously generate as a colony. These outfits are from Europe.
The funny thing is that they had periods where they hated Catholics almost as much as their other targets while pretending to be a holy order of Catholic knights. They were literally the exact same kind of Christo-fascist as modern neo-crusaders but wouldn’t let Catholics in.
Yep. There are still swastikas all over Korea because it’s been associated with Buddhists for far longer than Hitler who appropriated it. Freaks out visiting westerners, though.
It’s not just Buddhists. Asatru, Norse/Germanic cultures, too. It ticks me off we have to give up things sacred to us because they’ve been misused. Aleister Crowley reveled in it and played it to the hilt, though. Yeats was not amused.
Is it appropriation if you treat people and their culture with respect? Because i dont think the issue here is how the KKK dresses. It is what they stand for ideologically and what they do. That is what makes it appropriation imo.
I want to agree with you, but I’m not so sure. I think different individuals have very different thoughts on that. And now I need to sit with this for a while.
True, but there are nuances. Stealing a symbol and giving it new meaning by using it for a different purpose is obviously a worse kind of appropriation than adopting language and culture.
KKK stole the outfit from earlier Christian rituals.
White supremacists stole from another culture? Shocking, that’s never happened before
It’s their culture too, Americans didn’t spontaneously generate as a colony. These outfits are from Europe.
The funny thing is that they had periods where they hated Catholics almost as much as their other targets while pretending to be a holy order of Catholic knights. They were literally the exact same kind of Christo-fascist as modern neo-crusaders but wouldn’t let Catholics in.
For some reason, I’m thinking of the scene in Django Unchained where the guy is griping that his wife worked hard on this!
Supremacists always appropriate things. Ok symbol, sacred numbers/symbols, clothing, words, deities, and twist it to exclude.
Yep. There are still swastikas all over Korea because it’s been associated with Buddhists for far longer than Hitler who appropriated it. Freaks out visiting westerners, though.
It’s not just Buddhists. Asatru, Norse/Germanic cultures, too. It ticks me off we have to give up things sacred to us because they’ve been misused. Aleister Crowley reveled in it and played it to the hilt, though. Yeats was not amused.
And Hindu.
Probably more, too.
Everybody appropriates.
This language that you are speaking is appropriated from a bunch of other languages and cultures.
Is it appropriation if you treat people and their culture with respect? Because i dont think the issue here is how the KKK dresses. It is what they stand for ideologically and what they do. That is what makes it appropriation imo.
Yes, has no inherent bias or prejudice.
I want to agree with you, but I’m not so sure. I think different individuals have very different thoughts on that. And now I need to sit with this for a while.
Are you asking me?
That’s true.
True, but there are nuances. Stealing a symbol and giving it new meaning by using it for a different purpose is obviously a worse kind of appropriation than adopting language and culture.
So it’s not just regular appropriation, it’s the bad kind of appropriation. Because they’re bad.
Have I got that right?
Yes. Cause it’s different when I do it. I really have to sit with this.
Appropriation implies a form of exclusivity and denying the original’s validity. As in:
KKK took that symbol and forever changed everyone’s association with it to their own org.
It’s not appropriation to use a thing, it’s appropriation to treat your use of the thing as the correct/real one.
So annoying. Same with swastika.
So just a slightly different flavor.