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Everyone who thinks this seems to forget that they have to live through the collapse of civilization. It’s not gonna be pleasant.
Accelerationists aren’t exactly deep thinkers who understand entropy.
Thanks for speaking on our behalf, but I think most accelerationists know a societal collapse has consequences. We’re just OK with suffering for 50 years so that future generations can prosper
In the same vein, I appreciate your making that decision on behalf of me, my wife, and kids.
You presented no signs of deep. You’re relying on logical fallacies like Survivorship bias, where you assume society will re-emerge. There is no logical reason that would force societal collapse to follow previous patterns.
You’re okay with 50 years of widespread suffering to maybe have any society. But not okay with paying increased monthly taxes to guarantee a stable society.
The Greek were right, democracy doesn’t work.
Who said I’m against increased taxes, wut
Ofc liberals can win any argument when they get to make up what the opposing side thinks
Always atart with yourself first.
It reminds me too much of these moments in RTS games, or Sim City, that time you got hit hard and you have to rebuild, but don’t have resources to build, but to get more resources you need to build infrastructure. It can take so long to get out of that rut, and that’s of you don’t get hit by another calamity.
Sometimes I think any policy maker should play a game of old school Sim City 2000 and we can all see how they do before we vote for them.
No spoilers, I know, but have you watched the news recently?
No, I know. Like I said, it’s not going to be pleasant.
It’s already not pleasant, but it’s going to not be, too.
So let’s make the best out of it, don’t you think?
How?
Building mutual aid networks for the anarcho communist revolution of cause
Hugs?
Everyone is so used to consuming news not necessarily as entertainment but as background hum or as ammunition to confirm their ideology or dispel another. This isn’t wrong per se, but I think the consequence of constant barrage of war, disaster, tragedy, corporate abuse, political abuse at home and abroad desensitizes people to the possibility that these things can happen to them tomorrow right outside their front door.
They’re so used to the idea that theoretically the government has always been able to do whatever it wants to you they don’t realize how viscerally real it is that now they can do it without making excuses or cover ups, or under any pretense, and not only will no one do anything but millions will support the regime while you’re black bagged without due process. Authoritarian violence in America was always bad, but at least there had to be an excuse, a judicial system set up to defend cops who lie and say they felt threatened. Soon they will be brazen enough to snatch you up without pretense of a crime, without anyone knowing and without needing to explain themselves
They don’t realize how viscerally bad it will be for them when war breaks out no matter which side of that war they are on. Accelerationists are fucking clowns and they are not prepared for the world they’ve been jerking off to.
ah, exactly what i missed from reddit: ableist wojak PCM nonsense. lovely.
Very first reaction I had and thankful I wasn’t the only one…
Whats pcm?
Political Compass Memes, it was a subreddit that sucked.
Specifically because it’s absolutely infested with Nazis.
Which is unfortunate, because using 2 dimensions to describe political ideology is much more informative than using just one (left VS right).
There was a short time it wasn’t, and it was pretty hilarious ngl, but you have to have that kind of humor.
Yeah, it’s a perfect example of the allegory of the Nazi bar.
I hadn’t seen this specific story, it’s very accurate from what I’ve seen over the years.
4chan, basically any online game chat room, blizzard in particular holy shit, I remember playing SC1 and WC3 online and for the most part everyone was normal, go to any Blizz game public chat now and it’s full of trump/nazi spammers. Crazy.
Something I’ve been thinking about since watching the comedian part of the Trumps rally right before he got elected the 2nd time… The jokes made me laugh, but not in a “haha he’s so right! Puerto Ricans are trash!” it was in a “wow! anyone who believes that is such an idiot!” similarly I very much enjoy edgy humor like Southpark or a smaller project like DBZ Abridged, TO ME the joke is in the ridiculousness that anyone would say/act/behave that way, but it absolutely invites in the people who unironically agree with it.
It’s unfortunate to say the least.
Thanks. And while we’re at it: what’s wojak?
The drawn white dude.
exactly. this “all sides are the shame uwu” bs is hurting our country
What’s up with this centrist nonsense? It’s a good thing to want to change the existing power structures actually.
I only see mockery of accelerationists, which I broadly support. Its 10 times easier to reform an existing government that to destroy and build a good one from scratch.
To be fair, the only reason I sound like an accelerationist, is because the building is clearly on fire right now and I’m presuming its structural at this point. So yeah, while I wish it didn’t get to this point, it feels likely that we will have to rebuild things from the ground up.
life hack: begin building new social structures before the current ones collapse
Accelerationists HATE him for this one weird trick, click to read more
You sound like an accelerationist because you think things are unsalvageable? Go figure.
Not when the existing government is built to concentrate and protect current property relations. Sure have parallel structures built to replace what exists but don’t reform, revolt.
Difficulty of reform aside, the pain and suffering that will come from societal collapse will be immense. The chance of successfully building a better system out of the crumbled remains is low. I don’t think it’s a great aspiration.
some will die, that is a sacrifice.
You first
Good people dying is bad, always! Even if it’s worth it in the end, we should try to find a way to save lives instead!
Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo?
the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better.
I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though.
This isn’t happening
Accelerationism is happening towards fascism. This would be a different story if socialism was on the rise with parallel structures in place to rescue us during the collapse
Literally this is not happening nor will happen. Not even close, it blows my mind other leftists think fascism provides opportunity. “Things are going to be great after this is all said and done!” As we’re rounded up and deported to El Salvador
The way to fight fascism is by attacking the system that holds it up not recreating its parent.
It’s literally not built to do that. The government has been hijacked by private interests.
What? Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class that’s basic. Anything else it does that appear to do anything else are either really about their real goal or hard fought bargains meant to prevent rebellion that always are viewed as temporary,
Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class
Edgy teenager take.
Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class.
I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting “democracy” to maintain their power.
actual history
Lol
but where are the parallel structures
immediately attacked by the ruling elite when it starts to form
Such things are possible without the collapse of society.
Ok but we’ve only been successful at collapsing society so far, not in the reform department
Personally im a Anarcho-Syndicalist so imo the system can be used. We can use economic sabotage, general strikes, and eventually take over the economy rather than burning it all down.
anarchy-syndicalist have always supported revolution and the complete overthrown of hierarchies its never been about slow incremental change within existing power structures.
Ok that was just poorly worded, what I meant to say is that theres no point in burning it all down without a plan. The seeds of revolution are planted before it begins.
I suspect that it’s a mental error to imagine that there’s one ideal ideology to start with.
For example, I think the founding fathers of America envisioned that the federal government would be smaller than the state governments. It’s not completely insane to imagine supporting true libertarians for a federal government and a progressive left wing party for a state government.
But people aren’t that mentally flexible. If they vote right wing for federal government, they will never vote left wing for state government. And so, despite the fact that capitalism can solve certain problems quite efficiently, the fact that it’s utterly unsuited to solve our most common problems like making sure people have basic essentials means that libertarianism is a bit of a dead end, unless people can actually learn to think flexibly.
This is one of the basic reasons why Political Compass Memes is such a bad idea. It encourages people to lock in their political identity, rather than remain flexible, and centrism isn’t the answer, either. We should be trying to use the right tool for the right job.
This is one of the basic reasons why Political Compass Memes is such a bad idea.
No kidding. Not only do people fall on different parts of that two dimensional map depending on context (e.g. different positions on how much government support there should be for the arts versus for the sciences, how much government should regulate guns versus automobiles, etc.), but elevating these two axes above all the other unseen dimensions (ideological purity versus pragmatic compromise or versus consensus seeking, at what point process should yield to substance, the extent to which our institutions should have inertia that resists change, etc.), which causes people to oversimplify political issues into just those two dimensions.
There are many dimensions, and each problem may call for a different solution that would fall into a different place in any given dimension than the solution to another problem.
Prior to the trump era I voted libertarian federal, dem/left for state govt for this reason. The problem with parties at the moment is there’s not just economic policy tied up into them but cultural and societal aspects that have to be weighed.
If a house is 4 million dollars and you work as an uber driver or cashier you may have a different opinion that everything is good. All this current world order has done is monetize everything with debt, a big wall of debt that bids up the price of inelastic goods, as the rich borrow as much as possible to write off their cheap debt using their inflated collateral while never liquidating a penny of their assets.
Then when their mansion burns down due to building in a risky area or the bank that lends all this debt overextends then the government bails them out, as peoples paychecks are inflated away and they are denied pay raises due to the bad economy.
But I’m one of these smooth brains.
Accelerationism is cringe. Do you want to change society? Start doing Prefiguration.
Agreed but the problem with this is that it requires people to be ok with the idea that they are building something that they likely won’t see. It’s a difficult concept for most people to grapple with.
The reason why prefiguration works is because the same praxis also helps to improve one’s life in the here and now.
The difference is, in the bottom left we’ve been aware the Empire is receding and are already creating new structures in the cracks left behind
The other three quadrants are just doing the same old shit
All would say the same thing there. Look at the auth right we have today and the rhetoric of ‘the decadent decay of society and the need to rebuild traditional structures…’
None of the other three have the concept of prefiguration
So I went looking for how you might define the term outside of a pre-ordained order of society and found it somewhat comical that the M/W dictionary’s first example came from the playbook of the poster child for fascism…
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prefiguration
This chilling prefiguration of Hitler’s Final Solution is unmistakable, and Heidegger never explained, let alone apologized for, such horrendous statements. —Gregory Fried, Foreign Affairs, 17 Oct. 2014
That’s doesn’t seem to be the same concept as the anarchist political praxis
They can say the same, but who’s structures would you rather be a part of, given the choice? Horizontally-organized ones that function cooperatively, or the same crap you’ve got right now?
All we gotta do is keep showing people that better ways exist and work.
I don’t argue with the notion that virtually anything is better than we have now. I’d probably fall somewhere leftish but pretty neutral in the auth/lib scale. Basically to say having central authority enough to get things like big science, public infra, and foundational enforcement to the extent of ensuring people play by the agreed rules, but not the elite group dictation of them we have now. The idea of the self moderating and communal policing commune sounds nice, but unrealistic if you have anyone not following that path in or near the society.
A lot of people actually like authoritarianism. These people are known as morons.
I think there are plenty of people of all political ideologies who don’t fall into this intellectual trap. But I took this as criticism of a very real breed of political slacktivist who thinks that their preferred society is so natural or inevitable that it will just happen automatically whenever the current rulers fuck up badly enough.
But this is just fairy tale thinking. New societal structures are built from the bottom up and only replace the existing ones when a state of incredible weakness for one structure coexists with a state of strength for the new structure.
So I kind of agree but there are definitely lib-left people who engage in this type of thinking. It seems like insurrectionary anarchists largely fit in that category, but someone who knows more about their ideology can correct me if I got it wrong.
I consider myself one ;) post-left anarchism in general
We’re not waiting around for a revolution, we’re of a mind to DIY where we can. At least, that’s the idea. Individual actions may vary.
Ah gotcha well if you are genuinely building new structures then you are not the type I’m talking about, so it’s possible my above statement was a mischaracterization. I’ve just run into some people whose plan for replacing the state/capitalism is basically:
Set fire to shit
???
ProfitAnarchist utopiaAnd I just don’t think that has any chance of working whatsoever.
a very real breed of political slacktivist who thinks that their preferred society is so natural or inevitable that it will just happen automatically whenever the current rulers fuck up badly enough.
Excellent description.
The bottom left will also at least get anarchy briefly after any collapse.
Well, an opportunity for it.
Anarchism means “no rulers” not “no rules”. Smaller communities tend to organize cooperatively by nature, but we have to consciously organize so seizure of power is preventable.
Didn’t the collective Right build Project 2025? What exactly did the LibLeft build?
Time to get Hari Seldon and prepare a foundation.
political compass memes
Eh it’s mainly the upper end of the square that thinks like this.
“Why is 99% of the population such smooth brained extremists?” ; said Nero as he kept on fiddling and turning up the heat
Think of poor lil, Nero he just wants to play his fiddle in peace.
When people are desperate they turn to a strongman. Every. Time.
