I already made some people mad by suggesting that I would I would make by computer run an ollama model. I suggested that they make a counter AI bot to find these accounts that don’t disclose they’re bots. What’s lemmy opinion of Ai coming into fediverse?
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Personally, if I see AI content I block the user that posted it. If a community is all about AI, I block the community. I want to see content from people that have actual talent or something intelligent to contribute.
I hope that !fuck_ai@lemmy.world is an exception!
And subbed.
Ditto.
tf? you seriously think everyone in ai subs have no talent and dumb? lemme guess you think “ai” is just chatbots and image generator. guess who is dumb here
Yes, I do think people posting their “artwork” in ai subs are dumb. And I use AI all day where it excels at solving business problems, pattern recognition and outlier detection. But using gen AI to mask lack of creativity or talent is a scourge on humanity.
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tf are you yapping
how does posting something that looked cool make one dumb??? what its dumb simply because it came from those evil matrix multiplications??
WTF DO YOU MEAN USING IT TO MASK LACK OF CREATIVITY
so you think anyone who can’t paint or draw lacks creativity???
bro wtaf
If I wanted to interact with AI content I would be on Reddit.
Ew.
“People are mad I want to make a spam bot”
I stopped caring what other people think. Especially when they can’t say why they’re mad
I think they’re mad that you want to make a spam bot?
In this case that probably it, but I mean in general. You can calmly ask an angry person if alternative X is okay and they berrate you, accuse you, or talk in a way that makes no sense then you just ignore them.
For starters, do you have reason to believe a large number of Lemmy users are legitimately bots, or is this just a thing where you saw someone with a different opinion? Lemmy overall is aligned in being generally anti-AI.
Has AI improved where it has been implemented? I don’t think it has.
I’d say yes like it’s hard to program language processing, plus it helps get information pretty fast
If it added value then I wouldn’t be opposed. But I don’t see what value AI could possibly add to a social network. Some specific fields, like researchers combing through large data sets, have benefitted from AI. Every other place it’s been shoehorned into has suffered for it.
If you see a problem and realize AI could address it, then that’s fantastic. If you’re coming at it from the other direction and looking for problems then you’re going to waste everyone’s time.
AI actually makes it so computers can process language. I had two issues one is tracking police based on where they are and the other is detecting live streams post is a live stream post and it’s hard to process abstract concepts like that so you get the LLM to make the determination. Beats going through all the data yourself and figuring out edge cases
While I am an AI enthusiast, generative AI has two issues that make it very hard to accept here
One is definitely the fact that we all know they have been trained using our data without our informed consent, not to mention it bring a typical case where copyright only applies to big companies, it doesn’t really protect individuals.
The second one is simply that we are in a social network. Social. We use it to communicate with people, not to play games or take part in experiments. It’s like using comments to a question for statistical purposes, you have to tell people they are taking part in it.
Here we want to discuss daily life, politics and hobbies with other people, forming opinions based on what other people think, and spending time and energy to explain our positions to other people. If the other end is a machine, how is this different from an NPC from an RPG game?
So, I guess the only way to go for it is to have separate communities that specifically allow AI bots, making sure people know about it so they take part if they are willing. Ofc we can expect some instances deciding to cut ties with AI filled ones, it’s up to them to decide.
In general, if it isn’t open source in every sense of the term, GPL license, all weights and parts of the model, and all the training data and training methods, it’s a non-starter for me.
I’m not even interested in talking about AI integration unless it passes those initial requirements.
Scraping millions of people’s data and content without their knowledge or consent is morally dubious already.
Taking that data and using it to train proprietary models with secret methodologies, locking it behind a pay wall, then forcing it back onto consumers regardless of what they want in order to artificially boost their stock price and make a handful of people disgustingly wealthy is downright demonic.
Especially because it does almost nothing to enrich our lives. In its current form, it is an anti-human technology.
Now all that being said, if you want to run it totally on your own hardware, to play with and help you with your own tasks, that’s your choice. Using in a way that you have total sovereignty over is good.
I wondered if comments you post are, according to AI they’re actually copyright protected. But it’s funny that no one read the TOS and basically give copywrite of comments to meta and Reddit (maybe) so legally the comments can be scraped without the authors consent. So there’s plenty of legally and pretty much (technically)ethical sources content for LLMs, if you’re okay with capitalism and corporations.
I look at AI as a tool, the rich definitely look at as a tool too, so I’m not going to shy away from it. I found a way to use AI to discriminate if a post is about live stream or not and use that to boost the post on mastodon. And I built half a dozen scripts with perplexity and chat gpt, one of witch is a government watchdog to see if there’s any ethical or legal violations https://github.com/solidheron/AI-Watchdog-city-council
I’m not advocate that you should be pro or anti AI, but if you’re anti AI then you should be doing anti AI measures
Kill it to death. With hammers.
LLMs, image generators like Stable Diffusion etc, and other of what’s come lately to be called “generative AI” should have no place on the Fediverse or anywhere else.
I’m of the tilt that it’s spam if it’s not providing a service. I don’t want comment sections covered in vapid muck.
algorithms are going to come regardless of what anyone wants.
Seems like Lemmy has some basic algorithms but I know one instance will implement algorithms
Which one?
I meant in the future they’ll implement it. I haven’t found it. Also corporation will enter fediverse they might not explicitly say they’re a corporation
ooh, I thought you were saying you know currently one that will implement, but you meant you know eventually, an instance will implement algos
Algorithms aren’t always bad. I think the biggest problem of lemmy is that it doesn’t have good algorithms & search/indexation
we need to be able to verify humans on all instances
everyone else could be a bot
The million drachma question, though, is how.
The entire Internet will need some way to validate that a given user is a human and not a bot, but in practice it’s becoming increasingly more impossible.
there are several government gateways that provide that service using an up to date passport for example
I thought about using legalese or old obscure phrases from 100 years ago (maybe even old English) in a reply to a bit and seeing how it responds. General not all language is known to a person but an AI wouldn’t be stumped (maybe). If we found AI they would get better to the point were they’re human like and after that it’s like "oh well we got ai citizens of the Internet ’
I love genAI and I play with it all the time. I also use it to generate inspiration for my art. I’d never suggest releasing a model to the Fediverse.
