Well put Mr. Tusk.

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    Is Russia going to invade Germany? Do people really think that’s what’s going to happen?

    Imagine saying that with a straight face

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      Imagine thinking that 80 million Germans would invade 540 million Europeans.

      Imagine saying that with a straight face in 1939.

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      The other week the leader of the AFD said she would hand east Germany back to Russia

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      The Russian playbook for post Cold War dominance was literally publicly published a long time ago, and the final phase is getting close. After getting the US to break away from the rest of the west, everything was being carved up for their allies.

      It’s all written in The Third Empire: Russia as it Ought to be. Almost all the steps have been completed and invaded Europe is coming up.

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      If not for someone to stop him, yes Putin would march all the way back to East Germany. As it is, he’s most likely going to get stuck before touching Poland. And touching Poland would be the end of Putin almost immediately.

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        Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania would likely be first as they are surrounded by water, Russia, and Belarus.

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      If we don’t stop Russia in Ukraine and we don’t stop Russia in the Baltics then we might end up having stop them in Poland and Germany, yes. And if you can’t see that, I believe you would benefit from studying history.

      Besides, we aren’t rearming to fight with Russia. We are rearming to ensure we don’t have to fight with Russia.

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      Well, did you think you could have been told that Russia invaded Ukraine? With a straight face?

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        This is what all the experts have been warning of literally since the 90s.

        https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

        https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

        prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:

        George Kennan, arguably America’s greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a “tragic mistake” that ought to ultimately provoke a “bad reaction from Russia” back in 1998.

        Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was “the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat […] since the Soviet Union collapsed”

        Even Gorbachev warned about this. All these experts were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.

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          We could also say that war over there actually started in 2014. But as you also stated, a lot of people were surprised since there is not a neo-liberal side against a communist side anymore since there is no communism anymore in Russia (Do you agree with this? Apart from the single-party political structure which can be called with various names, the economy is maybe watched by the gov but still liberal).

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            The fact that Russia is no longer communist and NATO has continued to expand and surround Russia is a clear demonstration that this has never been an ideological conflict. And that illustrates that Russia does indeed have legitimate security concerns, because it’s clear that the goal of NATO expansion is to contain Russia.

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              the goal of NATO expansion is to contain Russia.

              Not so much contain as to colonise, Russia has been contained all that time but they still expanded more.

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                Yeah that was supposed to be the big prize, and then they could plunder Russia and surround China from the west. Didn’t really work out though, and now all the western fash are seething.

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              Containing Russia is probably some thing due to the fact that Russia does not allow a political choice since decades

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          All the ex Warsaw begged for a membership, it wasn’t the USA teasing them.

          And in fact US denied Ukraine a NATO membership, and funnily it’s been invaded.

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            It’s been invaded precisely because the US refused to publicly state that Ukraine would not joined NATO and wanted to maintain ambiguity on the matter while arming Ukraine. Nice of you to try and twist that around though. Gold star for mental gymnastics.

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              Nope, US clearly said no to NATO for them already in 2009, much before the Russian invasions.

              Dude, this stuff you’re telling is at least three yo. It’s been largely debunked.

              All the ex Warsaw hate Russia even if they’ve slavic roots in common like Poland or Ukraine, just take a look on what that people state and do. This should tell you much about how much this people want to avoid Moscow’s influence.

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                  Nato is a defensive org, so it’s absolutely not important for Russia if Ukraine joining that, unless Russia wants to conquer Ulraine, which is the only reason why they do not want thta to happen.

                  Putin wanted to invade Ukraine, and they did it. They don’t want to have democracy close to their border, caise you know…people don’t like to live in a dictatoriship.

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      They are trying to. And the BS about needing defense is actually the traditional European fantasy of invading Russia, or now openly inviting nuclear annihilation of Europe to spare the US from non nuclear winter consequences.

      Europe thinks it can serve the CIA in opposition to Trump, but there natural continuation of CIA sycophancy is more desperation to serve US empire. Increasing the stupidity level to 10, with mass military programs and nuclear threats, makes it easy to go to 11, with mass imports of US weapons when they conclude that they simply weren’t stupid or lying enough on Russophobia.

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          Tusk/Poland do have another option for building up an army. At start of Ukraine war, there was Polish media endgame where Poland took a big chunk of western Ukraine. Russia may not care, except that Polish-Russian peace works just as well as a Ukraine-Russia peace for denazification.

          Any crackhead in Europe who doesn’t know they helped whitewash the US/Ukraine provocation. is a culpable idiot who want’s war on Russia no matter how badly it has turned out so far.