HEY, THAT GUY’S HOARDING ALL THE CARDS. LET’S KILL HIM!
You’re definitely a CAPITALIST
You know what can REALLY be a bit much sometimes?
It’s Capita-
The abundance of overconfident one-line retorts and trendy slang make me think people’s major source of knowledge here is memes.
Especially when someone blames capitalism for something which has been a problem since the dawn of humanity, and if anything, has improved under capitalism.
Care to share a representative xample?
Greed. Violence. Self-interest. In vs. Out groups. Shall I go on?
…those are all significantly worse under capitalism, how does that help the argument?
There are different kinds of capitalism, just like there are different types of socialism.
Authoritarian socialism or communism is the worst, and crony capitalism is what we currently have, and is pretty bad too. But there are things like democratic socialism and stakeholder capitalism which attempt to balance competing interests.
For example, stakeholder capitalism is where all of the stakeholders benefit from their contributions, including labor. Workers get a share of the profits of the company, and are paid well as stakeholders in the company. The workers often own part or all of the company. There are also cooperatives, where the customers own the enterprise. Cooperatives work great for healthcare and necessities like groceries.
People tend to pick the worst examples of capitalism and socialism, but those are not the only flavors.
…okay? that wasn’t the question being asked. did you get confused at some point?
like, i agree with what you said, just…what does it have to do with the current state of affairs?
the entire comment chain talks about the past and how capitalism has (supposedly) improved conditions. (since that “improvement” is implied to have already happened by the past tense, we’re talking about the current system. without specifying anything about exactly “who” those conditions have improved for…conveniently)
so i fail to see the connection to (largely) theoretical improvements to capitalism…
We actually used to have some form of stakeholder capitalism, at least practiced at a large number of companies. This is before the greedy corporate raiders ruined it, where they made investors the priority. It only existed for a short period, between the abuses of the past, and the abuses of now. But it was long enough where some people enjoyed an entire career.
At these companies, employees used to have jobs for life, pensions, and generous benefits. But then the corporate raiders took that all away. That is also about the time that employee’s wages stopped growing and started to stagnate or worse.
Was it perfect? No. But it was better than communism, and better than laissez-faire capitalism, and better than crony capitalism, which we have now.
The good news is that some people are trying to bring stakeholder capitalism back. Many states now have something called a “public benefit corporation” which is legally required to consider all of the stakeholders, not just the investors. These laws would prevent corporate raiders and investors from gutting these companies at the expense of the workers and consumers.
Plus, cooperatives and employee-owned companies have been around for a long time. Both employees and consumers are treated much better at these enterprises than they are at their investor-owned counterparts.
It is a model that works, and must be protected.
Thanks Obama meme became Thanks Capitalism meme
Huh…just realized that Austin Powers’ chest hair is in the shape of a penis.
I never noticed that, either. Intentional or not, it’s on-brand.
Well if it weren’t for capitalism you wouldn’t have to complain about Lemmy complaining about it…
Things will change once Elon shuts down reddit or buys it.
Hopefully piefed or mbin will be more mature by then and keep redditors away.
… that’s not how the fediverse works. You’d have to move to an instance that doesn’t federate with whatever instances (regardless of whether those are Lemmy or Piefed or Mbin instances) the redditors flock to.
That’s easier to do if they all flock to those alternatives.
Without capitalism you never would have made this meme!
We can appreciate a system for how it has developed the productive forces but determine its time is up… or whatever I can’t help myself I’m sorry
You comment like I do half the time. Cool beans.
Can we not? Like of all the shit to defend…
Not wanting to hear constant complaints about something does not equate to defending or endorsing that thing.
For example, you likely wouldn’t want to have a roommate constantly complain about their diarrhea after they eat dairy. You asking them to not constantly update you about their shit doesn’t mean you are defending diarrhea. Most people don’t want to be subjected to constant complaints about something they don’t have the authority/ability to change.
Not a great analogy.
It’s more like your landlord continually sprays your house with liquid shit and your roommate keeps making remarks about how it doesn’t have to be like this and people shouldn’t have to live with liquid shit and you’re like, “Would you just shut up about it already?!”
The alternative is normalization of capitalism and the status quo, which is already very much the case in most of society. People are constantly dying and suffering because of capitalism, the bare minimum is constant critique.
How many more memes until capitalism collapses? Roughly.
Maybe a hashtag on twitter will do it?
