• GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
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    Call me radical if you want but, I don’t think Subject A of our cause should be rights for a minority of our citizenry.

    Those rights should be unspoken truths we uphold regardless.

    The common man will walk by TRANS RIGHTS 4000 times before they walk by UNION STRIKE.

    The left needs to go back to focusing on workers, unions, labor, taxes, fairness and sense. Trans rights are important, and topical, but I feel the sjw yelling pushes a lot of people away from what our side of politics is actually about.

    There isn’t a single person I work with that wouldn’t toss a flier with ‘trans rights’ written on it in the trash the second it was handed to them.

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      I am someone who wouldn’t give “T people” rights the time of day. It’s absurd. If they’re American, and a legal citizen, then they have the same rights as me. I don’t have the time or patience to focus on a group that makes up a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population. We have real problems.

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      I think you’ve misinterpreted the picture. These are supposed to be domino bricks. “trans rights” isn’t the first brick because it is the most important - it’s the first brick because it’s the first that’s going to fall.

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        I’m taking points by consensus. Luckily, Lemmy has those built in and the congregation ain’t with you, dog.

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      MSNBC agrees with you that the Democrats went too “woke”… while repubs dumped millions into trans panic ads. If “left” Democratic leaning media is willing to throw principles under the bus to capitulate on hand waving economic yabbering, then we need to stop associating them with leftist principles.

      Again, repubs did all the sjw yapping about trans people, and other than the bare minimum the dems pretty much kept quiet while also not making moves on unions or anything the like. Shouldacouldawoulda, but they didn’t. And trans people should not be brought to take the brunt of what lies ahead because of that.

      I know its easy to say the dems should have done different, but DO NOT let rightwing narrative lead to you lapse in your principles, we’re here because the Democrats couldnt stick to theirs regardless.

      We’re here now, so all you can do is protect your trans neighbors and friends. I, for one, certainly wouldn’t want to be told my rights as an individual were focused on TOO MUCH by the only people willing to represent me.

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        Seriously, we got one line of support from Walz and Harris’ offer to follow the law, which is a far cry from supporting trans rights when you consider the laws being passed in many states.

        Democrats who were pressed on trans rights this election cycle consistently backed down and conceded and moved towards discriminatory Republican positions.

        I wish Harris had won, I would feel much more comfortable with the future prospects of my rights the next 4 years. But anyone who views the Democratic party as truly supportive of trans rights, certainly in any kind of national sense, is sorely mistaken.

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          But anyone who views the Democratic party as truly supportive of trans rights, certainly in any kind of national sense, is sorely mistaken.

          It’s ironic if we were to say this before the election, there would be a very different response. Now the ship is sinking so to speak, critique is more receptive… just not when it counts.

          For a split moment I figured the whole “weird” rhetoric would expand to actually describe how people are legitimately being discriminated against with legislation, but yeah just follow the laws… even if they mean parental rights for rapists and fucking windows on school bathrooms. Never hoping for a political outcome again.

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        by the only people willing to represent me.

        Make more political parties viable by enacting state level electoral reform.

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      If that’s how they feel about basic human rights, then they don’t deserve to have support for their union, either. They are both about respect, and if you’re not willing to give it then you don’t deserve to get it, either.

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        I’m just tired of our side attempting to appeal to basic human decency when it’s been more than proven that there isn’t any.

        Regardless of what you think about my or their vote, you need it. You don’t have the luxury of being exclusionary when you’re on the losing side and bleeding support.

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          Republicans were (in theory) on the losing side in 2022 - there was supposed to be a “red wave” that never materialized. They won (again) this time around by fully embracing being exclusionary. Seems to me Dems need to stop trying to attract those people (I think I read that Harris managed to get less than 5% of them, while losing something approaching 15% in Democrat voters), and instead focus on being an exclusionary antithesis to them. If we’re going to be a two party system, then make them polar opposites rather than just a lite version of the same side (within practical limits, of course).

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        Ah yes, the leftists mortal enemy, the less-idealogically-pure leftist.

        Of the people that care enough to vote, leftists are a clear minority. We need to find people to work with on specific, community-building goals, even if we can’t agree with them on everything (or anything!) else.

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          Democrats are not leftists, as you yourself admit with this sentence here:

          Of the people that care enough to vote, leftists are a clear minority.

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      that’s the importance of countermessaging. harris and walz had it right for 0.0076ms with their “weird” direction, like “look how fucking weird jd vance is for wanting to do genital inspections on every kid in order to make life harder for like 40 kids nationwide, what a freak!?!” and even some conservatives were like “yeah that’s a little far we don’t need to be doing all that.” that was a really successful strategy that had great potential.

      …and then they dropped that like a month before the election in favor of courting suburban conservatives. from “weird” to “follow the law.”

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        Sorry now every time I see someone mentioning the “weird to follow the weird laws” pipeline I get unduly agitated at how fucking hard the DNC dropped the ball this cycle. Now I’m more than surprised as ever that Hilary won the popular vote with campaign managers like these.

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    I believe in free speech but I’m more concerned about freedom from religion than freedom of religion.

    Democratic secular society is on a sharp decline all over the world.

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      Although you don’t like religion, it’s one of the dominos that fall in the line of authoritarian control. When it falls, other dominos fall with it.

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        Religion has been used for millennia as a mechanism for authoritarian control.

        Like I said, I support free thought and speech. Be religious if you must buy into a cult of mass delusion. But true freedom means freedom from religious law in a secular and democratic society.

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        If we are to (correctly) have freedom of religion, the working class must remain armed to put down the religious’ inevitable grasp at taking over the nation state.

        These people are mentally ill, and work tirelessly to make their delusions your reality.

        Source: your reality

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    We need to regroup. Anyone who cares for the above needs to join the same movement. Put your personal feelings aside and stand together, it’s the only chance we’ve got to stop everything from unraveling.

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      I’d just like to highlight how unhelpful this type of discussion is.

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        It lines up with the message of the image. If you’re willing to sacrifice one set of rights then all rights are up for negotiation as well. Feel free to explain to me how that’s not the case.

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      • Did throwing the election to Trump and the Republicans do anything to help save Palestine or end the war?
      • How would you describe what happened on October 7th, 2023?
      • Are you willing to concede that the Palestinians also have had agency and culpability in the events that have lead up to today?
      • Do you accept that calls for “Palestine to be free, from the river to the sea”, as well much of the historical rhetoric of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, has been openly calling for genocide against Israeli Jews?
      • Would you be willing to acknowledge that both Israelis and Palestinians have some loose historical claim to the Levant based on the tribal lineage of their people going back >3000 years?
      • Would you describe Islam as a “religion of peace” even though it was spread almost entire through violent conquest going back to ~600AD?
      • Do you believe in a two-state solution?
      • Do you believe that America has a duty to the protection and support of its own people over any duty to solve the problems of the rest of the world?
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        • have you worked to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state so your fellow country men/women/and more can be involved in the electoral process?
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          Of course Israel has done wrong things, as have the Palestinians. This is a war that has been going on for ~80 years in a part of the world that has been fought over and ruled by dozens of empires over the last 3000 years.

          Both sides of this conflict are guilty of terrible shit, but none of that is worth holding American secular democracy hostage.

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    Identity politics, and the concern silos that come with them, have failed. It’s my personal opinion that they were pushed as a means to divide us against each other over things that don’t threaten the profits of the capitalist class.

    Fight for human rights.

    Yes, human rights includes LGBT+ rights.

    Yes, human rights includes women’s rights.

    Human rights at work as well. Human rights to housing and Healthcare. No half measures, no negotiations.

    We tried to negotiate with the 1% in the early 20th century. Much like negotiating peace with Putin, it was just a temporary cease fire while the 1% consolidated their power and let their propaganda networks soak the human mind.

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    Gotta gotta gotta go, true sounds, of a revolution,…

    Was in my pyjama and haven’t heard Agnost Front the last 20 years so thanks for reminding me of this song.

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    i don’t understand the secondary text on those past rights. What are they supposed to represent? I can’t even read any past Free Love

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    Bet you they try to repeal Loving v. Virginia too. They’ll “leave it up to the states” I’m sure, so that them and their rich buddies can keep their partners. Looking at you, Mitch.

    I am emptied of all faith in their humanity or good sense.

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        Because it’s all imaginary and I can’t believe people seek comfort in a piece of paper and the concept of rule of law.

        A strongman, such as potentially trump but it could be any authoritarian in any country - will just wipe his ass with the constitution and do whatever the fuck he wants. It’s not like the law is going to stop him. He’s a convicted felon and he’s still going to be president despite that. And the J6 case (the only one with any real merit, IMO) that they had four years to prosecute is now dropped.

        Laws don’t matter. Laws don’t protect you. Laws exist to protect the in group and punish the out group.

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          That’s not really an answer to their question. Canada (with the exception of Quebec), also operates on the English Common Law model, but we’ve passed specific laws that intentionally codify things like abortion and minority rights. Just recently we added “gender identity and gender expression” as specific categories on which it is illegal to discriminate.

          So, unlike the US where the right to gay marriage is the result of a court case, in Canada gay marriage started out that way, but was then codified in law with the passage of the Civil Marriage Act in 2005. And speaking of English Common Law, the same is true in England, where gay marriage was legally enshrined in 2014.

          So it’s perfectly valid to ask why the US government has consistently failed to do this.

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            Off topic but how does Canada square away their English system with the one province under the French system? They’re nearly opposite systems.

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    As well as lack of affordable or even free healthcare, lack of affordable housing, lack of vacation time, lack of decent pay, lack of maternity and paternity time, lack of affordable healthy food.

    It is really becoming lack of anything and everything. The only thing that has rights in this country are guns and vehicles.