translation: There are people conjuring thoughts like “I’ve seen one too many brown people”.
Also unsurprising where the sentiment is coming from:
srcs:
- https://www.ipsos.com/en/perils/perils-perception-prejudice-and-conspiracy-theories-0
- https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/many-people-overestimate-the-percentage-of-immigrants-in-their-country
More imbecility (from the same src):
Argentina as usual being two racists in a trenchcoat pretending to be white
How do people in Japan think that 10% of the population is foreign!?
I guess Argentina makes a bit more sense - except that not many people are trying to get to Argentina. That sounds like Argentina though.
I assume it’s the same in most areas - humans are really susceptible to sampling bias and if you live in an urban area, you’re going to see a higher number of immigrants or foreigners. Plus, in Japan specifically, there’s currently a big backlash against tourists fucking with people’s daily routines, so I’m sure people mentally think there must be hordes of foreigners constantly invading the country.
Interesting that Argentina has the largest disparity here, actually. I would have expected it to be the US, given the rhetoric.
Argentina have a lot of immigration from Perú, Bolivia and Paraguay, but the important part, I think, is that Milei campaign were pretty much “illegal immigrants are destroying our country” and proposing a lot of shit that already exists, like background checks to get work and studying permits.
These polls tend to fumble their own methods, by trusting people to read definitions. They should be asking directly: how many people in your country were born in another country? The word “immigrant” literally means that… but that’s not the only meaning people envision, when they hear that word. To some extent you are always measuring that disconnect.
On the other hand, what fucking lunatics think 22% of America is Muslim?
Swiss: about a third?
Real: 40%
Who are all the people immigrating to Australia?
Malaysians, Chinese, indians, I’ve even met a couple from Timor
It’s also a common destination for upper middle class families on latinamerica, because you can pay in doing an MBA and getting a job.
Japan what the hell? When I’m there I usually go hours without seeing another white person, depending on where I’m at.
They would have immigrants primarily from other parts of asia most likely
Apart from a couple of countries, the percentages are small. The graph is distorted as it’s not showing the full 100%
Looks like most people, in most countries, are pretty close to accurate.
Alternative view (directly from the source):
IMO being off by around 10% or more is still quite the leap.
Poland’s perception being off by 7x is pretty wild.
10% off isn’t bad for a casual onlooker at their community. That’s 90% accurate.
Right, but any of those aren’t 10% off, but closer to at least 10 percentage points off – percent and percentage points are not the same thing.
Even Australia is ~23% off, and eg. Germany is 42% off, the US is 120% off, UK is 57% off, and eg. Poland is a whopping 650% off
People don’t give precise percentages though when surveyed. They might round to typical fractions like 1/4, 1/3, or they might round to 10 or 20 percent.
Nobody is saying “hmm, I estimate that it would be approximately 37 percent”.
Of course the wisdom of the crowd does wonders for smoothing those coarse estimates, but still, if the crowd is +/- 10 of the real percentage value, I’d say they’re pretty much on the money.
Anyway, Poland, wtf.
Depends, yer example presupposes 100%
However, being off by adding an extra 10%, when the immigrant population is around 10%, makes it 50% accurate, at best
Yeah as much as I love to call people out for their racist bullshit, the results are surprisingly close to the mark. I was expecting the gap to be much wider. At least for the English speaking countries.
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Understandable numbers from Argentina. I bet your average mestizo with a Fernandez surname sees some glorified Italian who speaks in hand gestures and beepidi bapidi Spanish cadence and wonders if he’s the only one who has extended family in the new world.
how do people in the US think Muslim folk make up 22% of the population!? My guess was like 4-5% and I still overshot by a lot.
This does not count Ukrainians for Poland though, even for 2022 before war there were much more of them than 2%, possibly as many as 3 million and that went up in years included here.
Yep, that’s true, the latest census was from 2021, and the figure was 3.69%.
Probably the figures weren’t available to Ipsos at the time, despite the publishing date :/? Idk…
90% or so of people in the USA are immigrants
I dont get these graphs
100% or so of people everywhere are immigrants…
Perhaps descended from immigrants. I presume most are native, meaning they were born in that nation.
Okay that makes sense
Argentina and the US being just overt racists is accurate
What share of the population do you think are immigrants?
Where does “I don’t care” register?
