Workers, hearken, they are going to war
And they yell: “For nation and race!”
This war is the rulers of the world’s
Against the working classes!
Hanns Eisler in “Der Heimliche Aufmarsch”
(works for both sides ngl)
Every man who gets away stays alive to rebuild later. Every man who gets caught extends the war and dies for nothing.
It’s super hard to get away now…
Zelensky’s regime may have troubles with keeping the eastern border safe, but the western one is defended like no other (that is, from people trying to escape of course).
And the bribes to get out legally are more than 10k$… For lots of us (especially for people living in villages) this is an amount of money we’ve never seen in a lifetime.
we had to use coyotes when we left mexico for the united states and that experience has left my entire family in desperate need of psychological counseling for the last 5 decades.
my heart breaks for the people who have to do something similar.
Use coyotes?
it’s the american and mexican nickname for people who smuggle people across the border for money.
coyotes usually learn their craft by being part of the drug cartels; so the people who pay the money are also commonly kidnapped by the coyotes for ransom money from the family and they’re killed if the family doesn’t pay.
children are especially lucrative for them.
Jesus christ, I should have guessed. I thought you somehow took used coyotes(the animeal) to cross the border and was honestly curious as to how. I hope everything ended up okay for y’all, sorry you had to experience that.
i’ve been getting the help i need thanks to believing in medical science and psychotherapy.
my older family members and my science denying family members are the ones who need the sympathy because they will never seek the help they need and/or continue to put their faith into their orange jesus or a bottle to make themselves feel better.
@yogthos For any western liberal that is cheering on this bloodshed on behalf of Western capitalist powers, I invite you to jump on a plane and pick up a rifle.
This conflict has only two outcomes. A peace deal through negotiations as with any war in history, or WWIII.
Sadly, the American stance “we will fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian” is the reality. Once the smoke clears, if there was a victory, it will be the property of Western interests like Black Rock.
Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.
And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians…
I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky’s regime now… He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause…
There’s still a nightlife in Kyiv? The war there is worlds apart from what’s happening in Gaza. Gaza hasn’t had electricity or water for a year now.
That’s not a war though, it’s a genocide
Every now and then people like to conflate the Gaza situation with the Ukrainian one. Both are very unfortunate and sad, but one is waaaay worse.
Huh that’s gotta be the highest upvoted article critical of Ukraine regime i seen here.
Either libs are already in the inevitable process of transforming from “kill ruZZian orcs” to “we never supported that war” or we are just out of peak hours for lib brigades.
It really isn’t that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.
It’s not one or the other.
@poVoq@slrpnk.net how many more Ukrainians are going to have to be murdered by the regime for you to be happy?
You’re finally admitting that the Russian invasion is murder?
I’m talking about the murder of people who are being gang pressed into fighting by the fascist regime the west installed and people like you support.
Isn’t umm fighting against invasion is required by law for most countries?
Let’s not forget that most countries also have constitutions. The citizens constitutional rights cannot be overshadowed by draft. Therefore forcible totalitarian draft is not legal. Here it’s problematic because sovereign legal institutions are non existent in Ukraine and lets admit that in many states legal institutions would crumble when defending citizens rights against violent governments.
Y’all are fucking clowns for defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die? Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t fit the narrative that mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.
It’s pretty obvious that you’re just fascist. It’s going full circle in here.
Fucking clowns 🤣 Clowns living in a clown world is what you are 🤡🤡🤡
I am against both sides, both states are braindead agents of Moloch. Dissolve the state meme. The is now Russia there is no Ukraine, these are just deadly brain rot.
Y’all fucking clowns for defending the fascist regime you support dragging people to fight for your entertainment. Go sign up for the foreign legion already instead of trolling here.
and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.
I’ll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn’t convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don’t want to fight, and it’s Zelensky’s regime (with West’s support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?
It’s also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can’t leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?
Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.
You see, I’ve tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky’s fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)
Some people dug too deep into the reality tunnel, any common sense has been left far behind.
Obvious reality check: Ukraine has some nazies. Also
a) they’re not their top problem. That being, you know, invasion and occupation by an authoritarian dictatorship.
b) point me at the country that hasn’t. What, you want China to invade Germany because AfD has 30% in some provinces? Let people sort their shit before you call for a foreign boot ffs.
(Not even touching the fact that the only reason Russia isnt seig heil’ing right this second, is that little Pu is afraid of any popular movements, including fascism. But it’ll get there, give it a couple years and/or heart strokes)
Dude. We (the US) couped Ukraine in 2014. They’ve been killing tens of thousands of their own Russian-speaking civilians in the two independent republics. We have created THEIR CIA (SBU) and they perform acts of terrorism on Russia, at least try to, on at LEAST a monthly basis. Denazification means elimination of Banderaist factions in the gov who can essentially tell their president what to do backed by threats of violence.
That’s one take. Recently a bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, way of living and freedom. But draft dodging is fine from a pacifist point of view.
Better that than being lured into a war as the Russians do.
Edited to way of living to help the literally ones
If you’re not ready to protect life and freedom by getting blown up within a week of arriving at the front in an unwinnable war you’re a bad person.
bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, lives and freedom
How would they be protecting their lives by going into a war zone? And if their freedom was important they wouldn’t be getting pressed into service; as for protecting their country, no one cared that they were shirking that responsibility when they allowed Azov militia members to kill ethnic Russians (who identified as Ukrainian until they were being ethnically cleansed) without defending that part of their country. Why weren’t Ukrainians defending that part of the country?
When you say freedom, what do you mean? Freedom to do what? You’re talking about a place that under capitalist restoration became the poorest country in Europe and (as is tradition) uses ethnic violence to divide its working class that might otherwise kill its rulers. I’m thinking a lot of the population might not feel they actually have the freedom to actually do a whole lot. Some of them seem to want the freedom to continue living, or the freedom to not fight in a NATO proxy war, but you don’t seem to care about those freedoms. So, again, what are you talking about?
