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Linux
Reddit bad
Am I doing it right?
Overthrow the bougoisie
Cook the bolognese…
It’s only us vs the billionaires! Don’t let them try to pit us against each other!
Anyone who owns more than two houses deserves to die!
Anyone who works X job is a bastard, no matter how much good they do.
No, I will not run for local elections.
No, I will not give up Xitter I need it to follow my niche artists despite them having accounts on multiple other platforms including BlueSky.
No I will not give up Facebook. I need it to poke meemaw and check the marketplace for things I’ll never buy or sell because Craigslist amirite?
At least all you twats use ETA less than they do on reddit. That bugs me way more than it should.
You know you’re also using the internet, right?
Yeah ya see, he’s stuck. how will he spread the light of his superiorioriority unless he comes to speak to the filth?
It was probably a sacrifice but Im so glad he took the time to show us what is possible.
What an inspiration
There’s also the part that is into crushing with a tank people who don’t hate the USA more than anything in the universe.
All those wanna be commies live in the USA too it’s fucking sad
Most of the world’s commies actually live in China, strangely enough.
Bagging Reddit is actually kinda discouraged, more Linux and communism. Or at least screeching about capitalism at every opportunity.
Also make sure you double check if you browse by all and decide to leave a comment
Lol since you mentioned you got banned i had a look… your comments were fuckin awful! Why world you advertise this? I’m absolutely embarrassed for ya… that you still feel this hurt when you got banned trollin.
I went to some other comms to check their logs and it looks like you get banned everywhere you post, fella.
Haha! nothing effin funnier than reading the hurt feelings of someone who got what they deserved.
Thanks for that, really <3
Why not show my comments then lol
Oh I see you’re a regular poster in USAauthoritarianism. 😂
Glad you enjoy sniffing my taint. Come back anytime.
If you had read your own sources then you would have posted the article you are quoting from now first. It’s weird that you assume someone will click on every link in your Wikipedia page. A war is not necessarily genocide. I think you have trouble with understanding what genocide is. You are simply grasping at straws. USA is now killing people in Gaza? So anyone who does business with United States is now USAs fault? “Death to America”? You’re calling for death to Americans while at the same time you are crying about genocide. You’re nothing but a clown. Also, you’re from Iowa lmao. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
So for starters saying “a war is not necessarily a genocide” in response to an example of a genocidal act (America’s continued bombing of Japan after it served no valid military purpose) is genocide apologia.
Secondly questioning the USA’s role in the ongoing genocide in Gaza when the genocide is being explicitly carried out with American bombs is also genocide apologia.
Thirdly “Death to America” refers to the American political project, its imperialist ambitions and its global hegemony, not the mass killing of Americans that you seem to think it does, which is why saying “Death to America” is not a call to commit genocide and doesn’t make the person you were arguing with a hypocrite.
Thanks Marx (nice name lol)
Your anecdotes are irrelevant. You could have just posted the context, but you didn’t. Wonder why?
I’m a debate pervert but I’m not that dedicated to the bit. Searching your name in the modlog was all I was willing to do.
Anyway perhaps if you simply stopped apologizing for genocides, you would no longer be accused of genocide apologia? Just a suggestion.
Let me guess, you commented on a community nodded by the Lemmy.ml admin?
lol this is great. Sorry, non wannabe commies get brigaded around these parts
Yeah is is kind of wild. They act as if I killed the cat
It’s just a huge problem on Lemmy. Right now there isn’t enough content really to justify defederating so it’s like they are the weird family members than you can’t stand but have to somewhat tolerate
The problem is that they are on lots of instances now
In an ironic twist, the defining characteristic of socialists in America, is also one of the defining characteristics of being American: “Butbutbut … MY socialism is bigger than YOUR socialism.”
Give it a rest people … ORGANIZE!
Blocking hexbear and lemmy.ml no joke removes 95% of shitposting and socialism/communism spamming. Should be done by default. Just block any overly political sub tbh.
I’m not sure why you are getting down voted. I think it is a fair statement to say that a lot of that stuff comes from the far left part of Lemmy. The sad part is I have been seeing a lot of it now coming from Lemmy world
For all of those political evangelicals out there I could could care less about your political views. I just want to use Lemmy in peace.
I think every time a big leftist instance gets defederated, its users leave and move towards more mainstream instances. I remember lemmy.ml used to be somewhat neutral a year or so ago (I got banned there so here I am now on lemmy.world).
This is why I moved to lemm.ee, to make sure people like you could read my socialism comments.
Like this one: read Lenin.
And people like you is why I advocate muting those comms. The odd person like you is still easier to block. Those subs and their communities, evidently, fail to grasp the concept of “disagreeing” or simply not wanting incendiary political discourse in their feed daily.
Not sure what you’re talking about. Since the summer it’s just been post about Dems and how Republicans are weirdos. Honestly, the socialist presence on Lemmy is lacking.
Seems like the Internet is just circle jerks these days
How come it’s never a triangular jerk?
Political Memes is socialist?
I literally blocked it because it’s just liberals pretending to be socialist.
I was banned from there for “misinformation” when I explained MLK’s position on moderates and linked his letter from Birmingham jail.
A guy on there told me that I should thank liberals for the Civil Rights Act, and when I pointed to the letter from A Birmingham Jail, his response was, “and yet they passed the Civil Rights Act a year later. Curious, no?” Like…yeah dumbass, because actual progressives kept pressuring them publicly, like King did in the Birmingham letter.
That and threatening violence.
I’m a leftist and I am against violence. Does that make me a “shitlib”? Because I think that kind of rhetoric does great harm to our cause.
It makes you naive.
Ok Rambo.
I’m sure someday, somewhere, an oligarchy will voluntarily give up power.
I realize we’re inherently not capitalistic platform because everyone has the access to own their portion. Pretty cool imo and not to toot the horn for the millionth time, it definitely seems like the future of the internet
What’s wrong with socialism? I like socialism.
I’m just sick of the fucking tankies telling me World War 3 will finally give us workers rights.
Do you think a tankie is someone who likes tanks?
Tankies are fake communists who worship dictators.
Accuracy of your definition aside, you should realize that they’re not the ones cheering for World War 3, it’s the people who want to invade Iran who are doing that.
I don’t think you’ll find too many bOtH siDEs accelerationists among the liberals, but don’t let this get in the way of some good ol’ fashioned uninformed ignorance!
The both sides people are accurately pointing out that both sides of the American monoparty are equally accelerationist in terms of their foreign policy. They are both pro genocide, they both want to saber rattle at America’s perceived enemies, they can both potentially start world war 3 - and we’re against that happening.
equally
Drag disagrees.
Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, the Phillippines, Crimea, and Ukraine (just to name some ongoing conflicts)
But sure, its all the west with their “mutual defence pacts” and their “incentivizing diplomacy through trade”, Those beligerent bastards.
Also, though, whataboutism in the face of their dogshit ideology.
Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, the Phillippines, Crimea, and Ukraine
What world do you live in? Hong Kong had some protests four years ago, Taiwan has never had anything happen and nothing appears to be about to happen, Tibet is a conflict that was resolved seventy years ago, and The Phillipines is some boats ramming each other (which isn’t good don’t get me wrong, but it’s hardly a military conflict). You might as well say that Atlanta is an ongoing conflict because it’s still occupied by the Union!
Crimea/Ukraine is the only thing that’s a military conflict that you mentioned, and the people actively escalating it and sabotaging peace talks with regards to it are the western countries.
socialism itself is just, kinda weird. From a philosophical perspective it makes sense and has clear distinctions. But from a practical view it’s just sort of. Capitalism but if it was more confusing for some reason. If you go too far into one direction, it’s just communism, and that’s not socialism, obviously. The other direction and it’s literally just capitalism, so it has to sit in this weird space between where you can’t engage with the best parts of capitalism (or it just weirdly handicaps parts of capitalism) and communism.
and then of course you’ve got people (probably grifters) like hasan piker who claim to be socialist while having millions of dollars, but doing literally nothing with it, because investing it wouldn’t be socialist, and you can’t really just give it away, because well, it’s a lot of money. I mean you could, but it’s also just, sort of redundant at that point.
Realistically he should be investing that money into a lot of different things, increasing returns on revenues, and creating a content creator collective or something silly like that, but to my knowledge he hasn’t probably because he’s either stupid or lazy. I don’t blame him for either of those things though.
socialism, particularly modern western socialism that’s based on capital needs a fundamental proof of concept work-through before we can really do anything with it, i think.
Capitalism, while it has problems, it at least makes sense on a fundamental human perspective. I own things, you own things, we own things, that also applies to capital as well. It’s so fundamentally tied to the human experience and history that it’s just sort of hard to deviate from. Even china does a lot of capitalism.
man that was much longer than i anticipated. Apologies in retrospective lol.
Anyway for the second part of the admittedly very old and dead joke by this point in the post. It’s a meme about socialism on the internet. (particularly a farther left space on the internet)
The confusion stems from the fact that you seem not to know what you’re talking about. Like at all.
If you go too far into one direction, it’s just communism
This is a misunderstanding so fundamental that it’s a completely beaten dead horse of a joke.
i’ve seen socialism defined as anything from early USSR under lenin, to capitalism but if private ownership of capital isn’t a thing anymore.
It’s incredibly broad depending on how you want to apply it. And technically, communism is actually a subset of socialism.
Capitalism is likewise pretty broad as well, but generally the ownership of capital is traceable and has some form of root ownership. Even things like stocks still have clearly defined ownership. Loans are weird, but the ownership there is clearly defined.
Under socialism loans may not even be possible, depending on how aggressive with it you are. Unless you lent to a third party, like a separate state/country i guess.
IDK what definition you’re working with here, but there isn’t much flexibility allowing you very much room to differentiate it here. I’m really not sure how you’re going to work out of this one to be honest.
Like philosophically, socialism is theoretically simple. it’s the implementation that’s hard. The idea is pretty simple, it’s the concept that there is no singular ownership, but collective ownership. You could define this as something like “anybody who has any investment in any product/good or service has ownership” but this gets sort of confusing. If i buy product from the goods company, does that mean i now own a “share” of the goods company? If i can, does this mean buying literal shares of the company would be “negative” shares? Or is this backwards, buying product produces a negative share, while investing provides a positive share. Does this influence the “shares” of the employees of the company? Are these the same shares? Can i simply out own the shares of any employee with (literal) capital? Or is buying product not applicable in this scenario. That seems reasonable to me, so we’ll omit that.
Where does currency even come from? The government? The global trade market? Who owns that? Since the money is in my possession, and it’s doing work for me, i must own it, at least partially, but it’s also capable of doing work for others, so do other people also own a part of the capital that i hold? That would be weird so let’s simply ascribe capital as a means of temporarily holding “schizo” capital.
so now we have a socialist society, that has private capital, and relatively isolated businesses. The employees own a share of the business. We still havent determined how that’s proportioned. But we can assume they do, so we have a relatively capitalist market, as that’s generally how a market is going to work most effectively (also that would literally just be communism at that point), unless you are either god, or the worlds most powerful supercomputer that can simply predict the needs of a market at a whim. Or you just allow no flexibility in the market (surely this won’t cause problems) with companies that don’t have direct ownership, which is not dissimilar to how the silicon valley works, minus the VC funding.
So we’ve basically just created capitalism, but different. Not that this is a bad thing. It’s just, an odd problem.
At the end of the day, it’s either going to approach communism, or capitalism, there is no distinct mechanism of socialism. I generally refer to this as an “approaching zero problem” as it has no clear definition, and if you go far enough you’re just going to end up back where you started, one way or the other.
So I guess the problem is that socialism and communism are kinda used in two different ways. One way refers to a political program, the other refers to a hypothetical stage of economic development.
The political programs are more clearly defined. Socialism is an umbrella term for a lot of specific anticapitalist political programs, of which one calls itself Communism. Communism is for people who like the Soviet Union and China, but there’s basically no smoke in that ideology in western countries, where Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism are your biggest left wing contenders.
But “socialism” and “communism” as stages of economic development are moving targets, impossible to pin down because they’re entirely hypothetical and there are only a couple countries that have even tried to achieve them. Was the Soviet Union communist? Well, it was lead by Communists in the political program sense, but I don’t think anyone would argue that it achieved communism in the economic and social development sense. Modern day China, too, is Communist in the political sense, but even by their own metrics they are still capitalist, and see socialism as a goal they are working towards (if you believe their rhetoric and don’t think it’s all just cynical, which many western socialists do).
So while the Chinese Communists have their own definition of practical socialism, western leftists are not in power and all of our ideas remain purely theoretical as a result. Add to this the fact that there is no major leftist political org in western countries for the socialists to rally around and you get more definitions of socialism and communism (the stages of economic development) than you can shake a stick at. This leads to the problem you’re describing, where socialism appears to have no solid meaning at all, because the notion of it is so phantasmal.
But I don’t think that you can dismiss socialism or its results as “capitalism, but different,” because the whole thing about socialism is that new power structures create new incentive structures and therefore even if there are some superficial elements of capitalism that remain - like the use of currency - under a socialist regime the outcomes should be more equal, fair, and democratic. There are numerous historical examples of these better alternative outcomes, but of course they’ve all been relentlessly propagandized against in Western countries so that the average person doesn’t realize that there is a better way to run society than the one they were born into.
It makes perfect sense if you understand how nuance works. But I think there is where the problem lies- YOUR confusion stems from your inability to understand it.
It makes perfect sense if you understand how nuance works.
Saying “if you do too much socialism, it’s communism” is exactly the opposite of a nuanced understanding. Please read a pamphlet.
They’re not wrong. And I’m not going to apologize for not feeling like explaining it to you, but I’ll advise that you start by learning what nuance actually means.
This is one of the most inane threads I’ve ever seen on Lemmy. Nuance is having a fine understanding of a topic, while the line I’m quoting is taking a complicated topic and boiling it down to a truism. It’s the most obvious and classic form of anti-intellectualism and it certainly does not reflect a nuanced understanding of socialism or communism.
This is one of the most inane threads I’ve ever seen on Lemmy. Nuance is having a fine understanding of a topic, while the line I’m quoting is taking a complicated topic and boiling it down to a truism.
well yeah, i’m reading economic socialism down through the lense of capitalism. Obviously it’s going to be a little bit restrictive, this is lemmy, not a PHD thesis.
