They line up in front of a courthouse in southeastern France, from morning to evening, and have gathered in the thousands in cities across the country. They hold signs reading, “one rape every six minutes,” “not all men but always a man,” and “giving in is not consenting.”

They chant: “Rapist we see you, victim we believe you.”

Women across France are rallying in support of Gisèle Pelicot, a 72-year-old reluctant icon whose husband is on trial in the city of Avignon for systematically drugging her and inviting dozens of men, 50 of whom are now his co-defendants, into their home to rape her over nearly a decade.

The shocking case has sparked what many women in France call a long-overdue reckoning over “rape culture” and systemic sexism in the way the judicial system handles sexual violence.

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      From your article, “In fact, 96 percent of women who report rape or sexual assault in the NCVS were abused by men.”

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        Those are the kinds of numbers that come from laws defining rape as penetration and then only counting convictions.

        Kind of like how the US had zero married women that were victims of rape by their husbands when it wasn’t a crime for husbands to rape their wives.

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        that quote you gave was taken entirely out of context. here’s the very next sentence:

        In presenting our findings, we argue that a comprehensive look at sexual victimization, which includes male perpetration and adds female perpetration, is consistent with feminist principles in important ways.

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      No but the number of assaults by men far outweigh the number by women. And that Scientific American article is just your way of brushing off the fact that men are the primary offenders when it comes to sexual assault. You are exactly like the gun enthusiasts who throw the statistics on mental illness as the true cause of gun deaths and not the guns they use.

      Edit: Just cause you seem to be including that link everywhere you post here I’m going to include this link to the 2024 study of sexual assault in France.

      https://www.statista.com/topics/8875/violence-against-women-in-france/#topicOverview

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          Oh yeah, you got me there. Statistically small number of women who commit sexual assault completely absolves all men of being complicit in the sexual assault committed by mostly men. We definitely have to correct our perceptions on that one. Sure okay.

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            hey as a guy who was assaulted, please stop saying all men are complicit. do you understand what you’re saying when you say that?

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              You are basically validating the people who are trying to dismiss the assaults by men by using the “women do it too!” defense.

              I’m sorry for what happened to you and you deserve justice and support. But so do the literally millions upon millions of women who have been assaulted by men who are basically ignored or intimidated by our society into staying silent about their experience.

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                incredibly ironic. how can you dismiss assault and say I’m the one dismissing it? jesus please get a grip and get off the fucking internet. why did I even try?

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            Sorry you’re getting this reaction. I am a man who was abused by women and all the support groups lead to me taking to a room full of women about it. Do men come forward less often? Yes. It would have to be like 1 in 100 men coming forward for it to be equal. I’ve had one other male friend who has been assaulted, but over half of the women I’ve been friends with have.

            If it helps anyone with that being anecdotal, you have to look at the statistics of who is doing it: people in power. Just that alone means more men simply have the opportunity. Add to that that men are told sex is power, and that men who have sex often are virile, whereas women who do are slut shamed. It’s getting better, but still far off.

            Anyway I’ll take the downvotes, but every statistic we have shown is that men are the primary antagonist in the vast majority of sexual assault against both men and women.

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              I’m sorry you were abused and I really wish this were a world where this sort of thing didn’t happen.

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                Well the idea with protests like this is to shine so bright a light on it that we force governments to act. If we do that enough, we can make this happen less and less to everyone.

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                  As many of the comments in this post have demonstrated, far too many people are more interested in whataboutism and not very interested in creating true accountability. Until we overcome this bias I don’t know if we’re going to be able to really hold governments accountable for this sort of thing. When women talk about the patriarchy, this is what they’re referring to.

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                    Personally, I would imagine that the real issue with THIS ARTICLE is the picture they chose to forefront it. Why would they choose that one? Rage engagement, to drive engagement and ad revenue, because it has been proven time and time again, that divisiveness brings money. There is a lot of coverage about her and her bravery, as it should be, because she is a massive hero.

                    If we choose any other posts about the case, that don’t drive themselves on such divisiveness, and and consider the top comments, we can see that the focus is where it should be, on her story and his conviction, yet they rarely get as much engagement as this one.

                    It is manufactured ragebait to feed the algorithm, using divisiveness as its drive. And it is both succeeding, and taking away from the real point, her story and the support and help that she, and all rape victims deserve.

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              And so, what’s the course of action? To give all men some sterilization treatment?

              How does this help with anything?

              And, I promise you, the real numbers are probably scarily equal, just like with domestic abuse. Because men are definitely taught to never come forward with those.

              But even if the true ratio was 1:50, what’s the solution? Let’s write the law that when it’s a man, he gets a double prison sentence. Or maybe the police shouldn’t believe men who say they were assaulted, but vise-versa barely check, cuz for sure it’s true?

              Criminal statistics should in no way enforce the course of justice or legislation. They could only maybe influence where money is allocated in prevention campaigns. At best.

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                And so, what’s the course of action? To give all men some sterilization treatment?

                Who the hell said that?

                The case has put into the spotlight a growing problem with rape in France. The number of sexual assault victims in France increased by 33% in 2021 and nearly doubled from 2017, according to a government report. Women made up 89% of rape victims, while 96% of sexual violence perpetrators were men.

                But out of almost 35,000 rapes recorded that year, just over 10% were prosecuted, and fewer than 5% resulted in a conviction. And the vast majority of rape or attempted rape victims − nine out of ten − never even file a complaint, the report found.

                The plan is to make it so the system actually helps the victims. That’s the idea. These protests bring light to the issue.

                And, I promise you, the real numbers are probably scarily equal, just like with domestic abuse. Because men are definitely taught to never come forward with those.

                Cool guess, stats say you’re wrong.

                But even if the true ratio was 1:50, what’s the solution?

                See above.

                Seriously this is fucking embarrassing, you’re creating constant strawman arguments without any basis of anything reported.