• ctkatz@lemmy.ml
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    I don’t think that you need any more proof that all of these pop up third party efforts are simply republicans funding some of the most ostentatious left wingers out there in order to ratfuck democratic presidential efforts. none of these people can win 270 electoral votes because they aren’t on enough ballots to get there. FACT.

    anyone who tells you that they can still win is a political idiot who doesn’t know what they’re talking about and should be ignored or someone with a vested interest in making sure that democrats get fewer votes than they should letting the only other viable party option win. left wingers included.

    if there were a real serious third party looking at real electoral victories they should start organizing at the local level with a real long term strategy of growth and do it for all years, not just the ones divisible by 4. by not doing anything except in a presidential election year they are only reinforcing and perpetuating the “corrupt duopoly” they hate so much.

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        You’re happily reducing the number of votes that the major party candidate who you think will do the most harm needs to receive in order to win your state.

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          Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!

          If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.

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            If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.

            Ok so this is bad faith or you clearly have no idea how this country works. Or maybe even both.

            So let me get this straight… In order to avoid another Trump term, we must vote for a party that, mathematically, has no chance of winning? Taking votes from the only candidate running against Trump that might win in the process?

            Let’s remember that Trump said he will not run again if he loses. That means winning in 2024 is the only way that “another win” can happen.

            So please, I would love for you to explain to me, how voting third party in 2024 will “avoid a Trump win”?

            Again, and perhaps you just don’t know how elections here work, but these candidates can not possibly win.

            That’s not hyperbole, they are literally incapable of securing the 270 electoral votes needed to win. Please tell me you understand this. Like you get the basic arithmetic being used here, right?

            So with that said… I would LOVE to hear how voting third party will avoid another Trump term.

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              part of me shitting on third parties is the fact they enable the bad stuff they want to happen, see the elections of 2000 and 2016. but it also needs to be pointed out, repeatedly, loudly, this other point you just nade:

              IT IS STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE TO WIN ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES TO BECOME PRESIDENT.

              they don’t have an answer for that. if they do respond they never address that specific point only saying well enough people just have to vote third party.

              none of these people have any clue how our government or elections or voting works. I’ll bet some of them are convinced that because the cheneys endorsed harris it means she’s an even bigger genocider even though they both have said they don’t agree with her politics except for the politics that preserve the constitution. they’re dead enders man.

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                IT IS STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE TO WIN ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES TO BECOME PRESIDENT.

                saying it doesn’t make it true

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                  In this election cycle, as well as all previous ones, their statement is accurate. In the future? Who knows. But their statement, as written is correct.