• aiccount@monyet.cc
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 month ago

    Yeah, technological progress has historically made life worse for humans.

    • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 month ago

      Technological “progress” historically mostly served to siphon power to the wealthy.

      Also, as a species, we’re currently in the process of conucting a mass extinction, as well as destroying our biosphere.

      I recommend you to read the book “Blood in the Machine” as an account how industrialization worsened the life of 19th century textile workers and how the Luddites fought against the disenfrachisement of the people.

      • aiccount@monyet.cc
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        I recommend reading “The Better Angels of Our Nature” by Steven Pinker. People love to complain about how much worse quality of life has gotten for people, but when actually pressed for specific ways it has gotten worse, they are almost always arguing from a complete ignorance of history. Lifespan is much longer, healthspan is much longer, rapes are way down, murders are way down, torture is way down, dying in childbirth is way down, incest is way fown, pedophilia is way down, starvation is way down, dying from wild animals is way down, wars are way down. Problems now for lots of the world are things like people bickering over who gets to be next to who when they pee and who called a “he” a “she”.

        This idea that the world is way worse than it used to be is absurd and just shines a massive light on how popular it has gotten to selfish brats completely oblivious of where we came from.

        • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 month ago

          I knowof Steven Pinker and don’t agree with his conclusions. I even got a video debunking him you’re probably not gonna watch either

          but when actually pressed for specific ways it has gotten worse, they are almost always arguing from a complete ignorance of history.

          You’ve ignored my point about climate change. I’m quite sure that concerning history, I got a bit more nuanced takes than you do.

          Lifespan is much longer, healthspan is much longer

          Medical advances have been made, yes. Inpart due to, technological advancements. These are fundamentally good and not what I’m arguing against.

          rapes are way down

          How is that a result of technological advances and not social movements fighting for a brighter future?

          murders are way down, torture is way down,

          I doubt that, if you look at it globally. Israel is currently performing a genocide. I consider that murder.

          dying in childbirth is way down

          Again, healthcare advances.

          incest is way fown, pedophilia is way down, starvation is way down

          Not touching those points.

          dying from wild animals is way down

          Ecodiversity is way down and global pandemics are way up.

          wars are way down

          Are you kidding me? Did you live under a rock for the last 50 years?

          Problems now for lots of the world are things like people bickering over who gets to be next to who when they pee and who called a “he” a “she”.

          No, problems now for “lots of the world” is climate change, job insecurity, housing crisis, dangers of a global war escalation, …

          This idea that the world is way worse than it used to be

          Not what I said.

          selfish brats completely oblivious of where we came from

          Says the person who choses to ignore how much progress has been done through sometimes violent, social movements.