I recommend reading “The Better Angels of Our Nature” by Steven Pinker. People love to complain about how much worse quality of life has gotten for people, but when actually pressed for specific ways it has gotten worse, they are almost always arguing from a complete ignorance of history. Lifespan is much longer, healthspan is much longer, rapes are way down, murders are way down, torture is way down, dying in childbirth is way down, incest is way fown, pedophilia is way down, starvation is way down, dying from wild animals is way down, wars are way down. Problems now for lots of the world are things like people bickering over who gets to be next to who when they pee and who called a “he” a “she”.

This idea that the world is way worse than it used to be is absurd and just shines a massive light on how popular it has gotten to selfish brats completely oblivious of where we came from.

Yeah, technological progress has historically made life worse for humans.

There is a reason why you point to examples from years ago, that’s because that is where you are still stuck.

Yesterday’s AI is today’s normal technology, this is just what keeps happening. Some people just keep forgetting how rapidly things are changing.

You’ll join this “cult” once the masses do, just like you have been doing all along. Some of us are just out here a little bit in the future. You will be one of us when you think it becomes cool, and then you will self-righteously act like you were one of us all along. That’s just what weak-minded followers do. They try to seem like they knew all along where the world was headed without ever trying to look ahead and ridiculing anyone who does.

Every word in every language changes over time. The term AI changing is the absolute normal. It’s not some mark against it.

Current llms are phenomenally beneficial for some things. Millions of developers have had their entire careers completely changed. Teachers are able to grade work in 10% of the time. Children through to college students and anyone interested in learning have infinitely patient tutors on demand 24 hours a day. The fact that you are completely clueless about what is going on doesn’t by any stretch of the imagination mean it isn’t happening. It just means that you not only feel like you are “beyond learning”, it also means that you don’t even have people in your life that are still interested in personal growth, or you are too shallow to have conversations with anyone who is.

This is just beginning. The more you cling to being in denial of progress, the further you will get behind. You are denying any mode of transportation other than horses even exists, while people are routinely flying around the world. It most likely won’t be too long until your mindset is widely accepted as a mental disorder.

You are just ignorant of the history and evolution of the term “AI”. It’s easy for anyone to learn about it’s history, your point of view is just one of ignorance of the past.

I use ai when I use search engines. This makes the search engines better. I also use ai when I get spotify suggestions. I use ai when I use autocorrect. I use ai without even realizing I’m using ai and the ai improves from it, and I and many other people get an improved quality of life from it, that’s why nearly everyone uses it just like I do.

So, @givesomefucks , do you also regularly use ai that improves from from your usage? Or are you not a hypocrite who thinks there is something morally bad about specific ais that you don’t like while doing exactly what you claim to be against with other ais? How are your moral lines drawn?

I don’t see why people would use a credit card to pay for a vpn, it seems like it would totally defeat the purpose. I guess if you get ahold of an anonymous card then it would be fine, but using a card in your name to pay for an anonymous service just seems wacky to me.

I’m curious, does anyone here pay for their vpn with something thatvis in their name? If so, why?

What could they even give? They don’t even ask for an email, and they claim to run everything you browse as RAM that never gets held or recorded.

I’m sorry you’ve been so hurt, I hope you get better.

Standing up for what you believe isn’t sanctimonious. I hope you eventually learn to quit caring so much what others think about you and that you can start to express your true opinions. Sure, some people will be offended and walk away, but those aren’t the best types of people anyway. Quality is much more important than quantity when it comes to who you spend your time with.

Yeah, I would be unable to respond in any meaningful way if I were trying to argue your side as well. I know why I’m downvoted. I’m downvoted because I point out a disgusting habit that many people have and they hate to think about. That’s fine though, if I can get through to a single person, it is worth it. Think hard about which side you are on here, it’s not a good side at all. Deep down you know that. Sometimes anger is the appropriate response. You’d be angry too if you developed a moral compass.

Yeah, I’m the one without regard for others here. The whole side you are arguing for is not having regard for others. That’s literally what this discussion is about. I say “have regard for others”, and you say “no, lol”.

I’m sorry it is so hard for you to make the connection between one abused animal and many abused animals. I don’t know what else to say. This is text book cognitive dissonance. Two things couldn’t be more related.

When people show outrage about the abuse of a single animal, it is in no way “shoe horning” or a “non-sequitor” to point out the massive animal abuse that many people are supporting. I understand that people hate hearing about, but it’s still true.

It is hilarious to see you try to take the moral high ground on anyone. You can not begin to grasp what moral behavior is.

There is a very good reason why you can’t even attempt to explain your justification for factory farms and all you can do it say “…aka the dumbest take”.

You have no moral justification, all you have is childish selfishness with no regard for anyone but yourself. Your entire life has lead up to the best you can do is try to tear down compationate people because you think it will give you a temporary feeling of not being disgusting.

You could do better, but first you need to at least want to develop will power and self control. I hope for your sake that you never have to experience the hell that you so giddily inflict on others.

Imagine you go over to someone’s house, and as soon as you walk in, you get overwhelmed by the smell of feces. You walk into the living room, and there is a dog in a cage that it barely fits into. The cage is so tight around its body that it is unable to turn around. You realise there are inches of fecal sludge caked into the bottom of the entire cage. Upon close inspection, you realise that the teeth of the dog have been removed. You are told that by removing the teeth, it can’t bite. You ask how it doesn’t get so sick that it dies, and you are shown a handful of pills that it is given that fight off its infections and diseases.

You are absolutely disgusted, and you rightfully say so. The response of the owner is this, “This is the same tired argument of ‘Nobody can have pets!’ That always gets brought up.”

This is exactly what you just did.

I never said anything about anyone not being allowed to eat meat, but you have been so conditioned that whenever anyone points out how bad factory farms are, you immediately try to defend them by acting like the only possible way to eat meat is to do it that way. This is not because you are an idiot, it is just because of how clever and motivated the bastards that are doing this to animals are. They are able to convince good-meaning, kind people like yourself to fight on their defense whenever anyone tries to chalange them.

There are many people, now, and all throughout history, that eat meat in a way that is not deplorable, but that way doesn’t make large factory farms rich, it doesn’t put more money into the billionaires pockets. So, they recruited you, and many others to work for them. They are very smart, and they succeeded.

By the way, I have no idea how you’ve taken anything Isaid to mean that I think it is OK to machine gun dolphins if you also eat chickens. I never said anything remotely like that. I agree whole-heartedly that that is, indeed, a very dumb take.

I wasn’t talking about the potential future downvotes from that comment. I was talking about all the past downvotes that I already got on my original comment.

As an aside, I’m pretty sure that not any amount of downvotes can grant someone martyrhood status.

This is a really great way to phrase it. I am very curious to see if this difference in phrasing would really be received differently than the more blunt approach, which certainly doesn’t seem to work for most people. Hopefully, we will all have AIs soon that can spoon feed anyone who can’t connect the dots on their own.

It blows my mind that people can be reminded of the mass slaughter that is happening daily and think that it must somehow be excusing the one-off brutal slaughter of an individual. I always just assume that people hate to be reminded of the implication of their “sustainable” wild caught tuna or whatever.