• givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOP
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    6 months ago

    Israel ignored an order from the U.N.’s top court to halt its military offensive in southern Gaza after South Africa accused Israel of genocide. Russia, too, has ignored the court’s call for it to end its invasion of Ukraine.

    There is zero logical reason to treat Russia and Israel differently.

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      6 months ago

      idk if it matters, but there is the nuance that russia and Ukraine were friends once and russia backstabbed them, while palestine and israel never were friends and it’s a smoldering conflict with 80 years of atrocities on both sides, that now escalated into this new dimension of a shitshow.

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        The both sides argument ignores the difference in scale. Palestinian atrocities are on the scale or killing a family or blowing up a bus, while Israeli atrocities are more on the massacring a village or blowing up a 100 member family to oblivion level.

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        People of all religions used to coexist in the area before the Brits declared they were in charge and segregation was a good idea.

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          Jews did not have equal rights in the Jerusalem Sanjak until the Ottoman Reform Edict of 1856.

          Before that you had things like the 1847 ethnic cleansing of Jews in Jerusalem, or the 1834 looting of Safed.

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      Here’s one reason for you to digest: hamas refuses to recognize Israel as a country and would rather Israel be totally destroyed than recognize it in some way to have peace.

      You can’t say Ukraine refuses to recognize russia as a country and it is a fact that Ukraine would stop fighting the moment all russians fuck off back to russia. Can you say hamas will stop fighting even if Israel finallt took its grubby hands off the West Bank and Gaza? hah, no.

      There is also the other reason that russia is doing both the brutality of Israel and the unrestrained suicidal fanaticism of hamas on Ukraine. You can bothsides Israel-hamas to some extent, not Ukraine.

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        Post 7th Oct I refuse to recognise Israel as a country. It’s clearly a terrorist state hellbent on the genocide of the Palestinians.

        It needs to go.

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        They say they accept the premise of the two state solution. You using the same logic of fear used to justify maintaining apartheid in south africa. People used to say if it’s abolished black would take revenge on white people

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              If the countries around them hadn’t invaded them like 7 times…yea…they’d have more goodwill and be less paranoid…now they don’t even trust hamas to run Gaza, because they can’t be sure they won’t pull another Oct 7th stunt again with foreign help.

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              The only time Israel started hostilities that lead to war was in the 6 day war, which was a preemptive strike after Egyptian provocation. Every other time they were attacked first.

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          Until this round of war it was Israel’s official position for decades. The big hold up on the two state solution was that Hamas in particular has never agreed to recognise Israel.

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      I don’t think it broke international law, well, outside of the civilian casualties.

      But… It should have. We need something so you can’t do stupid crap like this without some authorization, ie the UN has to sanction it somehow.

      Which basically makes it impossible in most cases, but it should be.