The nice thing about owning a home is that you actually build up your saving. If you at some point get in hot waters you can sell your home to get some backup cash.
In a healthy housing market, there’s enough competition that renting is much cheaper than buying. Indeed, I remember it being that way when I was a kid. Over the course of my life, landlording went from something that retired people did for a very small additional income stream to a get rich quick scam.
You’re forking over interest into the furnace each month as well as home insurance and property taxes. My escrow is higher than my principal. As a renter you have none of these costs.
When interest rates are low and you lock one in, yes, owning a home can be very economical. But just owning one is not always better. A lot of it depends on if you are solo or have a family as well.
It must be different in different places. I went from a renter in one area, to an owner in the same area, to a renter again in a different area in the period of 5ish years (long story).
Rent in the first area was about the same cost for a two bedroom, two bath, 1000 sq ft apartment as the entire mortgage on a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1200 sq ft house, including principle, interest, and taxes. The only reason people would rent there is because they don’t have the money for a down payment.
When we left that area, we could have become landlords and rented the house out. We could have easily gotten twice the entire mortgage in rental income, but we felt that being a landlord was unethical (especially since we were relatively wealthy for that area, although we made less than the US median family income). We sold the house and broke even.
Now, we live in a much higher COL area. It’s true here that renting is much cheaper than buying, but that’s because you can’t get a SFH for less than about $1.5 million here. My rent on my 1 bed, 1 bath, 700 sq ft apartment is more than twice my mortgage in my previous area. Our incomes have increased, now we make slightly above the median family income. But our leftover at the end of the month honestly went down a ton. If we weren’t here to get an education, we’d be gone by now.
Just saying… As someone who has both rented and owned, I definitely feel more like I’m shoveling money into a fire as a renter. Owning was the best financial situation I’d ever been in.
So I’m going to change the numbers but keep the ratios the same here.
I paid $100/mo as a renter for me and my wife. Our first house cost $200/mo not including home insurance, things like HVAC/termite/pest contracts, annual repairs, etc. Our house is definitely bigger but if I adjust for sqft (same neighborhood so that’s accounted for) our rent would’ve been about $140/mo. But after that, it’s just utilities. Not even appliances.
The benefit of the house was a fair bit went towards principal but for most fixed rate 30yr mortgages even at a great interest rate, you’re paying more than half into interest when you pay your mortgage every month until about year 9 or 10. That interest is money completely lost, no value for you. And if the market goes downward, you can lose money on the sale or at the very least eat away at your investment.
I am not saying in the long run owning is not advantageous. But there is a lot to consider especially when historic interest rates are no longer available that can make renting the superior option. Especially if it is just one or two people living together.
That would be true of landlords didn’t also know that and, in turn, redline rent to the maximum tenants can possibly pay.
I don’t know about the US specifically, but In Canada, investors big and small have bought up all the rental stock and rents are now maxed out beyond what many people can pay.
Big rental companies/STR companies and PE firms that also dabble in both drive up the cost of neighborhoods far more than typical landlords. Landlords are usually an issue for driving the value of a building down due to refusal to fix anything that isn’t absolutely about to kill someone - and even then they often don’t until an assessor or someone identifies it and makes threats.
Don’t get me wrong, landlords are an issue too. But my first comment I said renters need more rights. That’s me saying they need protection from greedy/negligent landlords as well.
I mean that’s like saying you’re also paying for their car and car insurance. I can apply that logic to anything they use the profits on. It’s all the same pot. Owning a home means a lot of costs whether you’re renting or living in it. There is substantial overlap.
The nice thing about owning a home is that you actually build up your saving.
Thats true in some countries, but not so in all countries. Ownership in some places means simply paying on the interest without any assumption about paying on the principal. A person could still make money if their property appreciates because of market conditions where they could cash out when they sell it, but there’s no guarantee on that.
Wait, how do you get a home loan where you don’t pay on the principal? That’s not even a loan at that point; that’s just renting except you also have to pay for maintenance.
We have these in the USA too. Its called an " interest-only mortgage".
that’s just renting except you also have to pay for maintenance.
Lots of things you can do here that you can’t do renting:
Since its you are the owner house you can make any changes you want to it
If the property appreciates in value because of market conditions, that’s YOUR money thats not the landlords money
You decide who lives in it. Landlord can’t tell you no
Pets if you want them
no security deposit
mortgage payment stays the same forever, this “rent” never goes up in price
All of that said, I don’t recommend interest-only mortgages in the USA because a home is one of the most accessible investments a person can have with strong legal protections keeping others from taking it from you via legal means.
The nice thing about owning a home is that you actually build up your saving. If you at some point get in hot waters you can sell your home to get some backup cash.
In a healthy housing market, there’s enough competition that renting is much cheaper than buying. Indeed, I remember it being that way when I was a kid. Over the course of my life, landlording went from something that retired people did for a very small additional income stream to a get rich quick scam.
This.
15 years ago, wifey and I talked of selling our home, renting (turnkey), and living off/investing the remaining equity.
Today? Let’s just say that “the best laid plans something something…”
As a boomer, one of the biggest “flaws” I see in this irl, is that people won’t sell their shit, and their dreams die in their sleep, with them.
Yea, that’s true. But I would say that is still better then forking over money into the rent furnace each month right?
You’re forking over interest into the furnace each month as well as home insurance and property taxes. My escrow is higher than my principal. As a renter you have none of these costs.
When interest rates are low and you lock one in, yes, owning a home can be very economical. But just owning one is not always better. A lot of it depends on if you are solo or have a family as well.
It must be different in different places. I went from a renter in one area, to an owner in the same area, to a renter again in a different area in the period of 5ish years (long story).
Rent in the first area was about the same cost for a two bedroom, two bath, 1000 sq ft apartment as the entire mortgage on a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1200 sq ft house, including principle, interest, and taxes. The only reason people would rent there is because they don’t have the money for a down payment.
When we left that area, we could have become landlords and rented the house out. We could have easily gotten twice the entire mortgage in rental income, but we felt that being a landlord was unethical (especially since we were relatively wealthy for that area, although we made less than the US median family income). We sold the house and broke even.
Now, we live in a much higher COL area. It’s true here that renting is much cheaper than buying, but that’s because you can’t get a SFH for less than about $1.5 million here. My rent on my 1 bed, 1 bath, 700 sq ft apartment is more than twice my mortgage in my previous area. Our incomes have increased, now we make slightly above the median family income. But our leftover at the end of the month honestly went down a ton. If we weren’t here to get an education, we’d be gone by now.
Just saying… As someone who has both rented and owned, I definitely feel more like I’m shoveling money into a fire as a renter. Owning was the best financial situation I’d ever been in.
So I’m going to change the numbers but keep the ratios the same here.
I paid $100/mo as a renter for me and my wife. Our first house cost $200/mo not including home insurance, things like HVAC/termite/pest contracts, annual repairs, etc. Our house is definitely bigger but if I adjust for sqft (same neighborhood so that’s accounted for) our rent would’ve been about $140/mo. But after that, it’s just utilities. Not even appliances.
The benefit of the house was a fair bit went towards principal but for most fixed rate 30yr mortgages even at a great interest rate, you’re paying more than half into interest when you pay your mortgage every month until about year 9 or 10. That interest is money completely lost, no value for you. And if the market goes downward, you can lose money on the sale or at the very least eat away at your investment.
I am not saying in the long run owning is not advantageous. But there is a lot to consider especially when historic interest rates are no longer available that can make renting the superior option. Especially if it is just one or two people living together.
Sure but as a renter you aren’t responsible for upkeep/changes to the home so you can also squirrel away more in a more reasonable market.
That would be true of landlords didn’t also know that and, in turn, redline rent to the maximum tenants can possibly pay.
I don’t know about the US specifically, but In Canada, investors big and small have bought up all the rental stock and rents are now maxed out beyond what many people can pay.
Big rental companies/STR companies and PE firms that also dabble in both drive up the cost of neighborhoods far more than typical landlords. Landlords are usually an issue for driving the value of a building down due to refusal to fix anything that isn’t absolutely about to kill someone - and even then they often don’t until an assessor or someone identifies it and makes threats.
Don’t get me wrong, landlords are an issue too. But my first comment I said renters need more rights. That’s me saying they need protection from greedy/negligent landlords as well.
Nobody likes big unexpected costs. That’s why landlords tend to offload the risk to PMCs, warranties, and insurance.
And then your rent pays for the monthly costs of all of that.
I mean that’s like saying you’re also paying for their car and car insurance. I can apply that logic to anything they use the profits on. It’s all the same pot. Owning a home means a lot of costs whether you’re renting or living in it. There is substantial overlap.
Thats true in some countries, but not so in all countries. Ownership in some places means simply paying on the interest without any assumption about paying on the principal. A person could still make money if their property appreciates because of market conditions where they could cash out when they sell it, but there’s no guarantee on that.
Wait, how do you get a home loan where you don’t pay on the principal? That’s not even a loan at that point; that’s just renting except you also have to pay for maintenance.
We have these in the USA too. Its called an " interest-only mortgage".
Lots of things you can do here that you can’t do renting:
All of that said, I don’t recommend interest-only mortgages in the USA because a home is one of the most accessible investments a person can have with strong legal protections keeping others from taking it from you via legal means.