I’ve had my eye on Helldiver’s 2, but I’m not creating a PSN account.
I know my $40.00 is pretty important to them, so I thought I would mention it here.
Same. I was thinking about getting it, but the kernel level anti-cheat is a no go, but then I found out on Linux they don’t have a kernel-level anti cheat, so then I was thinking about it again. No way they’ll ever get me to make a PlayStation account, I left consoles for a reason.
GREAT TO HEAR!
I have a PSN account. I can’t ethically support this move that locked so many players out 4 months after buying a game. So I won’t be buying until at minimum a solution is in place for all those users, but probably not even then.
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Nobody is locked out. Nothing has as yet changed.
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The Steam page has said “PSN account required” since day one. Anyone opposed to creating a PSN account on moral grounds and bought HD2 has no one to blame but themselves.
Be silent, automaton traitor
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How do those boots taste?
And I’m sure the reason you’re mad about this now, and not three months ago, is because of ethics in gaming journalism, right?
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Was thinking I’d binge this game this winter. Definitely not now lol
You can’t “binge” a live service game where the plot changes in real time.
The plot changes?
In any event, I can definitely binge something even if the plot changes. The core gameplay likely will remain the same.
Yes, you still shoot bugs and robots.
But the planets that are available- and by extension the missions - change all the time. You can’t just mainline the game for 150 hours in a week and experience all of it.
Most of the people complaining about the lack of variance in gameplay are the ones playing 12 hours a day constantly.
This is a hot take. Playing on a hot planet against bots and defending a cold planet against bugs isn’t an engaging live story.
Enabling TCS on planets and having to disable them on a destroyed version of the map a month later because the TCS was actually mutating the bugs to become more powerful?
We must be playing two different games. I shoot some bugs, play some DDR, and hop on an airplane.
I know my $40.00 is pretty important to them, so I thought I would mention it here.
Not gonna lie chief, I don’t think anyone from SIE is on Lemmy. Like, I agree, but also I think nobody who needs to hear you is listening, not because they’re not listening, but because they aren’t here to hear you.
Lol. Yeah.
Sorry, I left off the /s there.
Well, they said they would ‘discuss’ the crappy anticheat too, but so far nothing has been done about that either. I won’t hold my breath.
I know little about it. What makes this stand out? I am guessing kernal level, but is there anything else to it?
Helldivers 2 uses nProtect GameGuard, which is a notorious kernel level anticheat. It is notorious for being problematic to uninstall and causing issues on systems it is installed in (such as straight up preventing some programs from running or causing them to crash and other terrible nonsense that should never happen). Combine that with the fact it’s ineffective and the game is PvE, and it’s nonsensical why it’s around.
Just search “Sony Rootkit” and it should be more clear why Sony issuing a new kernel level anticheat is not met with warm regards.
Those were the days. I never thought installing mp3 player software would give me a rootkit, but it did……
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The short version is that the anticheat software is very invasive on the user’s system, and it doesn’t even work to prevent cheating in the game.
Do people have to explicitly install this or is it another thing they’re blindsided by like the PSN requirement?
Kernel Level Sony Data Breach in 3,2,1…
Well they reversed the account linking. I don’t think the anti-cheat had the same backlash though.
They can “talk” all they like. The proof will be non-implementation.
I’m guessing it’s them talking with Sony. Sony is the one requiring this, I’m sure the devs hate being forced to destroy the good will of the community.
Some people are saying they were aware of the requirements before launch and didn’t adequately inform customers.
I’m unsure how true that is, but it’s huge news if it is true.
The last screenshot is the most important one to pay attention to.
(Apologizing in advance, a bit of a rant incoming…)
People can’t just bitch about it on an online forum and then do nothing after that, that doesn’t solve anything. You have to be proactive, you have to get off your ass, if you truly want change and to be treated respectfully as a customer. Otherwise, you get what you deserve.
They know the standard M.O. of a gamer, its to complain but then do nothing, and they take advantage of that.
Edit: And I’m talking especially to those who are downvoting my comment. Just bitching and downvoting does’t change/fix anything.
Seriously, you’re still on that hill?
They hurt no one with their comment licensing, why do you feel the need to bother them and add to the harassment while adding nothing to the original discussion ?Still on what hill? I just got here.
And how many people on this site add nothing to an original discussion (I’d say at least half).
Thanks though!
What is the Anti Commercial-Al license and why do people keep adding it to their comments?
You’re a little late to the party. Also, better to read it from here: What is the Anti Commercial-Al license and why do people keep adding it to their comments?
Thanks.
What is the Anti Commercial-Al license and why do people keep adding it to their comments?
You’re welcome.
He’s right guys. Get off your *sses and pitch a tent in the grassy area of your local US university. Show Sony you’re not going to put up with this!
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Here’s the thing: doing something does not always work, but doing nothing never does.
In the provided screenshot, the devs themselves explain that asking for refunds and leaving bad reviews is what gives them enough pull to even have the discussion with sony.Of course you don’t have to do anything, but you really don’t accomplish anything by bothering the people who actually try to find ways to make the situation better.
He’s right guys. Get off your *sses and pitch a tent in the grassy area of your local US university. Show Sony you’re not going to put up with this!
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That sarcasm doesn’t help solve anything.
Edit: Neither does downvoting.
I saw this coming a mile away when I first learned it was a GAAS.
I was considering getting this game on playstation at one point but I cannot support this behavior from the publishers.
You already have by buying a PlayStation
Since Sony is publishing this everything you buy for PS is supporting that behaviour.
I remember not wanting to make an account to play Half Life 2 back in the day, yet here we fucking well are…
Were you hoodwinked into buying HL:2 without needing the account at first?
It’s not on the physical box, so yes.
The only bit that said you needed it, appears to be the card included in the box.
You can go back to Counterstrike for that. Was a free mod for half life, then one day you needed Steam to play it. It’s how Steam was released and part of why there was such massive uptake early. Biggest game in the world at the time.
How has steam experience been for you? I’ve been on steam for about 20 years and don’t recall they doing anything the likes of Sony doing to their customers.
It’s OK. I do miss the Steam sales actually being worthwhile. They used to be really good, where now I mostly use Steam for games bought elsewhere.
I miss ownership. At least I own my Playstation discs. I can trade them with others when I’m done with them. I can still buy games that have been delisted from digital stores.
Can you say the same about your PC games?
+1 to steam sales being more worthwhile back then. I 1000% understand the ownership thing. I don’t think most people had to consider what digital purchases really could mean until Sony pulled purchased content out of people’s libraries.
I personally don’t think Steam is comparable to Sony apart from digital purchases. Steam or Valve aren’t beholden to large share holders because they aren’t publicly traded, I don’t think they’ll have the same objectives as Sony and prioritize their users instead of public shareholders.
I’d be happier if dedicated servers became the norm again for developers. Games wouldn’t disappear at the flick of a switch when servers are decommissioned.
Sony took some headlines for doing it, but there’s loads of stuff disappeared from the Google Play store and I never saw anybody complaining about them.
Rayman Jungle Run and Fiesta Run are two (single player) games I paid for and they’ve vanished. I mean, it’s only a couple of quid, but that doesn’t make it OK.
At least Steam continue to host stuff, even if they’re not allowed to sell it.
