DBZ has the best villains-turned-allies. I don’t think any of them could be considered morally “right” though, so I guess that means Piccolo, Vegeta, Yamcha and Tien all have dumptruck asses in canon.
Vegeta is like a little space hitler jr, has committed multiple planet wide genocides and his father King Vegeta wouldn’t have had it any other way.
lit is shown that Frieza demands this, enslaved the saiyans and have pushed them to do his bidding. From what I remember, we pretty much get 0 saipan history pre-frieza minus GT and that’s not canon.
All this to say “he was just following orders” holds up until maybe the cell saga. On namek I can give the man a lot of trauma and brainwashing and child soldier mulligans. Saving cell and letting millions suffer AFTER he’s ‘rehabilitated’ and then does it again for Babidi, THAT makes him a space Hitler Jr
But he’s got a great mustache
That’s why GT will always be canon to me instead of Super.
I can respect that hot take.
moustaaaache
Have you considered The Owl House’s reformed villains? It has 8 of them.
a lot of DBZ chars have low key dumptrucks mainly because they have otherworldly glutes
Duh?
I like when the villain becomes the hero out of exhaustion. The good guy and bad guy just get tired of not getting along, but they spent so much time together that they just get along.
Got an example?
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Are these all Manga / Anime?
I think it is all one anime.
Ew.
Get out of the house more, FFS. Or, at least, read/watch anything else. 🤮
Like this?
Garra
Nagato
Orochi Maru
Sasuke
Kabuto
Obito
Madera
Tenzhou
Sai
Kurama
Neji
Many other Naruto villains/antagonists. It’s pretty much the main theme of the show.
This happens in Good Omens although it happens in the intro as context for the rest of the story.
I suppose you could argue this happened to Dr. Eggman since apart from Sonic Prime he’s been a complete joke in every piece of media he’s appeared in since like 2008 and in almost every piece of media he’s appeared in since 2013 (including Sonic Prime) he’s ended up teaming up with his “archnemesis” Sonic to defeat the ancient evil of the week he awakened in the hopes of finally defeating him
Jason Todd who?
Jason Todd was the second Robin. The first was Dick Greyson, who became Nightwing. Second was Jason Todd. Then the third was Bruce’s son Damien.
Jason was a hothead and often went against Batman’s orders. He ended up getting captured by Joker, who tortured him to death and sent the recorded footage to Batman to taunt him.
Depending on which storyline you follow, Todd was either brought back to life via the Lazarus Pits, (which is the same thing Ra’s Al Ghul uses to stay immortal,) or Joker faked his death so Batman would stop looking for him, then continued to torture him for weeks/months/years afterwards. In either scenario, Jason ends up getting free from Joker, and goes sort of crazy. Either due to the Lazarus Pits, (which has a side effect of driving the user a little more mad every time they use it,) or because Joker tortured him so badly.
He has a brief stint as a new supervillain, using his Robin training (intimate knowledge of Batman’s gear, knowing how Batman thinks, knowing how to fight against Batman, etc) to go up against Batman. Basically, he blames Batman for his torture, because Batman failed to rescue him from Joker. He eventually redeems himself, reconciles with Batman, and becomes Red Hood. Red Hood is sort of a Punisher type character, who has Robin’s training but isn’t afraid to use guns.
Then the third was Bruce’s son Damien.
Also forgetting Stephanie Brown, though she did have the shortest tenure.
Justice for Red Robin
Their burgers are mid.
Either due to the Lazarus Pits, (which has a side effect of driving the user a little more mad every time they use it,)
Wait a minute, I’ve heard this before…
Jaffa Kree!
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Proteus_Protocol
It’s a common trope
Depending on which storyline you follow, Todd was either brought back to life via the Lazarus Pits, (which is the same thing Ra’s Al Ghul uses to stay immortal,) or Joker faked his death so Batman would stop looking for him, then continued to torture him for weeks/months/years afterwards.
Or he came back because Superboy punched the walls of reality and caused history to change.
Is that the crux of one of those crisis on infinite earth style resets they do like every decade or less now to make things simpler but then also way more complicated
No love for Tim Drake.
Honestly, I forgot all about Tim. You can read into that as much as you’d like.
The second robin. He was captured by the joker then tortured and killed by him, he was then brought back to life via a lazurus pit (which Ra’s Al Ghul uses) and then went nuts but eventually redeemed himself and then became red hood.
He is one of the robins I think, ends up becoming the red mask or something and turns into an antihero of sorts
Why does Jason Todd, the largest Robin, not simply eat the others?
(More of a Tim Drake fan, myself.)
Venom is still the Villan in most cannons, but I think the reason he’s the hero in his movies is 1. It’s his movies, of course he has to be the hero, and 2. He hasn’t meet deadpool in his movies.
Iirc Deadpool was actually Venom’s first human host.
Deadpool having 3 personalities was too much for Venom which is why he was so fucked up when he latched onto Spiderman. He was literally trying to put his head back together and that’s why Peter was able to reject him.
That is true, but in the movie, venom skips deadpool and Peter so he’s a lot less evil and not broken.
That’s fair. In the movie universe he’s more controlled and is more reasonable
I stopped reading comics in the mid-90s, and my memory is a bit hazy, but doesn’t Venom predate Deadpool? Is this a later retcon?
Yeah wikipedia says venom was introduced in spider-man comics in 1984 (under a different name)/1988. Deadpool’s first appearance was in 1990.
I don’t think it was a retcon, so much as an alternate universe. Let’s be honest, the continuity of comics, is a fuckin mess.
But yeah, there’s a comic where Deadpool is the first human host for Venom and it causes Venom to go crazy, because he can’t deal with Deadpool’s multiple personalities and overall craziness.
Then he meets Brock, but Brock doesn’t bond at first, so venom finds Peter but because he’s weakened from Deadpool, Peter was able to fight Venom off.
i didn’t understand shit (i’m also drunk maybe that’s why)
Thanos also has a point
He could have snapped and make everyone to be smarter and learn about contraceptives and family planning.
Galactic population also would have been right back where it was in, at most, a few centuries. It was a stopgap solution at best. And his comics motivation wasn’t anything noble; he just wanted to bang Death and thought omnicide would turn her on.
Thanos spending decades trying to become the most powerful being in the universe in order to make sure life doesn’t outgrow the resources it depends on without once thinking that there was a solution other than murdering half of all life is not a convincing storyline.
Thanos spending decades trying to kill trillions of people because he was horny is a 100% convincing motive.
Disney would rather villainize environmentalism than incels.
And that’s a reason i can get behind
If it’s Neil Gaiman’s Death, I’m all in
Voiced by Kat Dennings in the Audible version, so definitely yes.
What about Terry Pratchett’s?
same, I went into the movie hoping for a relatable “need goth gf” motivation and not the nonsensical Malthus stuff
I don’t know about the comics, but there is real life result from having better education curtailing overpopulation. The Earth’s population as we speak is expected to plateau, as the rest of the developing countries are catching up economically and becoming better educated. I don’t see why the galactic population can’t be the same.
It can’t be the same because Thanos needs it to not be the same. Thanos is still trying to win an argument with a dead planet. It’s not about the truth, it’s not about helping people. It’s about winning an argument. That is Thanos’ entire motivation. He wants to be right and he wants everyone who disagreed with him to be wrong.
Except that we are going to get fucked globally when developing countries become richer and have better standard of living while producing a shit-ton more waste and fucking climate even more.
Only if every developing country becomes like America.
Thanos’ motivations should be seen more as a fanatic rather than the hard but necessary choice. Tons of ways to achieve his goals without killing half the universe.
Classic X Y Problem, smh 😔
That’s not the choice a man horny for Death would make…
People still agree with Malthus?
I think it’s a teen / young adult thing. The proscriptive asceticism of it has a certain appeal before you have much in the way of life experience.
But then you realise we don’t actually have a resource problem.
Just gotta look at the instance. Lemmy ml means 99% chance they are marxist fascists aka tankies.
That’s not what I’ve observed
