• IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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        9 months ago

        Who says you haven’t already done that already? … or a dozen times? … or an infinite number of times?

        Didn’t we already have this conversation before?

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        Yeah, I agree with that - if I could opt to be whoever I want, I’d want to be reincarnated as myself again. I can’t imagine a more wonderful life or a better childhood than what I was lucky enough to have. I’d love to go around again if I had the chance.

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            I guess I lucked out, my childhood was pretty ideal. My parents were pretty well off, we had a nice house away from the suburbs in a more wooded area, with a creek on both sides and fields with wild horses and lots of huge oak trees to climb.

            It was such a beautiful area that I could explore and play in it all day long - it was just great. I don’t think kids get that much of a rural experience anymore, the place has since been overdeveloped and it doesn’t have any fields or open spaces anymore.

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            I had a shitty childhood. I’d rather be born to some nice swedish couple. There was no good way out of the evangelical hellhole I started out in.

            And shit, I got relatively lucky. I Could’ve been a child soldier or making iPhones at 6y old or some shit.

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        9 months ago

        What if at the end of our lives we just do that? Unknowingly. Infinitely. That’s a fucking horror.

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        9 months ago

        You eventually come back as you making that comment about you being the drug dealer that killed yourself.

        And also at one point, you become me making this comment also. Eventually, you also become every single person that ever reads this conversation.

        That Kurzgesagt video seems to be following me around often in my comments because its how I’ve always thought about life … it’s also a philosophy and idea that’s been around for hundreds and thousands of years … that the universe is just filled with living beings (or maybe even just one being) that appear, disappear and reappear in a nonlinear plane of time and space.

        Until the next life … it was nice talking to myself.

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    9 months ago

    Its OK more than likely you won’t have enough sustainance and will die soon anyway. Either lack of food or being full of parasites. Gl have fun.

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    I mean it’s quite unlikely that you would born again even as a human considering of many living organisms there are on earth. Then considering how many planets there are with life that we just don’t know about. You will most likely just start living as some weird ass worm in outer space

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      9 months ago

      You assume the rules of reincarnation are equal chance to be any organism. What if only intelligent beings are in the pool of potential reincarnation options?

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        Well define intelligence. Animals show signs of feelings, even trees have been studied to warn other trees about dangers, and tomatoes yell when you cut them.

        There’s a lot more intelligence than just being able to be human. And we still don’t know if there are even hundreds of species that are more intelligent than us.

        And also the same principles of living work for every species even if we think they are dumb, and they keep getting born so why would it be limited to only something we see as even almost equal?

        This is just my own theory for the fact that somehow we started controlling this body in the first place, so likely it will happen again. I’m not believing in some major religion theories about good and bad and how you get better afterlife you be good

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          This argument reminds me of the distinction between wisdom and intelligence. Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting a tomato in a fruit salad.

          The same logic applies here. Sure, a tree can be seen as intelligent in some aspects but I’m sure if you asked 100 people to list the most intelligent organisms in the forest, few would say “the trees”. I personally would define intelligent beings as those that fit in the top end of an intelligence standard distribution curve.

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              Until a better method is discovered, it would probably be best to measure by # of neurons in the organism’s cerebral cortex.

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                Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t that put blue whales at the top? Don’t get me wrong they’re pretty smart

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      Reincarnation, at least Hinduism or Buddhism I think, is deterministic, i.e. doesn’t reborn randomly into any living creatures. If they die as a nice person, they will be reincarnated as a better person; if they die as bad person, they will be reincarnated as a lesser person, or an animal or smaller creatures, depending on the severity of their wrongdoings.

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        I disagree with this. I think humans are at the bottom. Good people get reincarnated as animals, and the peak is coming back as a manatee.

    • Depends on which class you’re born into. I can think of worse places.

      I wouldn’t want to be born into Russia. They could still be running citizens through the war meatgrinder in 18 years.

      Papua New Guinea is probably my last choice, though. I worked for a company once that ranked destinations by risk levels on several metrics; they were pretty objective about it, as they provided risk mitigation services, and were paid on subscription, not service use - which meant that when customers had to use their services, it cost them money. Anyway, PNG was the worst. Lots of native health risks from flora, fauna, and disease; a severely under-equipped local healthcare system; high levels of corruption, and high levels of violence. And it’s poor, making it hard to escape from (not prison-wise, just opportunity-wise). It’s simply one of the most dangerous places on the planet, excluding active war zones.

      I’d much rather be born into relatively (global average) wealthy dictatorship such as China, than PNG.

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    I’n not sure I believe in reincarnation for many reasons, not the least of which is since we don’t retain consciousness of our past lives, there’s no way to actually improve over the life you supposedly lived over and over again previously.

    Yet as a kid I had these wild dreams of things I hadn’t yet any knowledge about, such as certain heiroglyphic texts I encountered which I later learned were actually genuine artifacts in the real world, and the dreams I always had of walking by hot river at night, nearly naked, with palm trees bent by the hot winds - night after night, the same dream.

    It might not be past lives at all, but some stream of collective consciousness that exists inside all of us at some cellular level, or memories that exist in the collective environment we all share.