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      Why exactly do you want to vote for a treasonous insurrectionist? Why should such a person be allowed to run?

      Do you really think it’s undemocratic to protect democracy from someone approaching fascism?

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        I dont. I dont like trump. I hope he gets convicted for his crimes. But so far he hasnt. People are direly minimizing how dangerous a precedent it is to bar a frontrunner candidate from an election. That is millions of Americans who are being told they cant vote for who they want to, by the opposition party. Later on Trump will preach to them about democracy being taken away from them, and theyll have quite the reason to believe him. This wont go well.

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          It wouldn’t be a dangerous precedent. What WOULD be a dangerous precedent would be to let someone who clearly engaged in insurrection run for President unmolested.

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      If Donald Trump didn’t want to be removed from state ballots he shouldn’t have incited a violent insurrection when he lost last time.

      This was an easily avoidable outcome.

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        No, you see, it’s only democracy if you crawl up to people who make a literal coup attempt against a democratic government, put a shotgun in your mouth, and beg them to pull the trigger. THAT’S the true meaning of democratic government!

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        basically everyone is just explaining to me that it’s illegal to vote for him. That’s what I just said. Explain it all you want but it ain’t democracy.

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          Okey dokey… I can see there’s no point in continuing to engage here. Bye now 👋

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          It’s regulated democracy.

          It turns out that if you don’t regulate things to some extent, humans exploit them. Who would’ve thought huh?

          Plus, did you forget what the insurrection was about? You don’t get much more undemocratic than trying to flatout deny the results of the democratic process.

          In one case you have a democracy with defenses against corruption (imperfect but still present), in the other case you have something that is just flatout not democracy in any definition of the word.

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            Theres a lot of regulated democracies in the world. North Korea has elections every 4 years. For allowed candidates of course.

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              I can’t vote for:

              • Arnold Schwartzeneggar <- Constitution regulates, saying,“Sorry, not born here”

              • Billie Eilish <- Constitution regulates, saying,“Sorry, not seasoned enough. Try again in a few elections.”

              • Donald trump <- Constitution regulates, saying,“Sorry, you engaged in insurrection. Fuck right the hell off.”

              Not saying I would if I could, just saying.

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                Right, again telling me its illegal, i already know. It aint democratic for all those examples. Especially the age one, man we need younger reps.

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              Well when you establish democracy after you’ve already destroyed the entire foundation of it, it makes it a lot easier to get the results you want.

              Exactly why the insurrection was kindof an issue.

              Pretty bad faith to argue North Korea though, like there aren’t a lot of other things with the situation that make it massively different from whats happening here.

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                No I’d say North Korea’s whole situation boils down to that concept of state sanctioned candidates. For a situation a bit closer to ours, id point to Russia barring candidates from running for opposing the war.

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          The Senate is not democracy. Within the Senate, the smallest state is equal to the largest state. Wyoming is equal to California.

          The Bill of Rights is not democratic. The Bill of Rights restricts voters from inflicting their populist will on a minority that does not share their beliefs.

          The judicial branch is the least “democratic” concept within the Constitution. The judicial branch grants overwhelming authority to a small, unelected group, and makes that group responsible for dealing with all matters related to the accused. We don’t get to vote on whether to spare the accused, or feed them into a woodchipper; that power has been stripped from the people, and is thus undemocratically wielded.

          Section 3 of the 14th amendment is not “Democratic” in the same way that the Senate, Bill of Rights, and Judiciary are not “Democratic”. It is constitutionally essential for the same reasons that the Senate, Bill of Rights, and the Judicial Branch are essential.

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            Most of these are flaws in how our government works. No person’s vote should count more than anothers, but thats just what disproportionate representation accomplishes in the senate and the electoral college.

            The Bill of Rights itself was democratically ratified. The majority of people dont want minorities to be discriminated against.

            And boy the supreme court is a mess lately. The lifetime appointments and lack of ethical oversight.

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          “illegal to vote for him” lmao you make it sound like you’re gonna get arrested for doing it. No one cares if you write his name in, his names just not going to be on the ballot because he’s a traitor.

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      He’s removed from ballots, people won’t go to jail for voting for him, it’s just more inconvenient to do so.

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      You can still write in his name on the ballot. Nobody is going to arrest you for that. Ridicule you, sure, but not arrest you.

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      I mean, when you violate one of the few laws above all the branches that is regarding whether you’re allowed to be elected…