I have tried quite a few now. Fedora, Mint, Debian - none could detect my wifi card so I had to go do a bunch of googling to try and get them working, found what driver I needed but was never able to actually find out how to install it, other than some terminal commands in forums that didn’t end up working. I stuck with Endeavour OS because it detected it without any problems.
I have a keyboard that I configure with an online tool called via that requires something called hid. On windows it just works but on Endeavour I have to enable something through the terminal.
I have a shared data drive and in order to make it mount when I start the computer I had to go and edit some fstab file?
I couldn’t even figure out how to install a dual boot with with fedora and mint because it asked me about the root and home and swap and boot partitions and didn’t explain how to set any of them up or what they did.
I needed a program for work that wasn’t on a repository and I had to google howw to launch an .sh file because clicking doesn’t work haha. Also through the terminal.
I’m not saying these are crazy insurmountable problems, and windows definitely has some similar things, getting my tablet working was so much smoother on Linux for example. But I’ve had to learn so much more about how my computer works to actually use Linux and I’m just not sure the majority of people will have that patience.
I agree linux can be very difficult but easy as well if you do not have “exotic” needs. If more people were using linux, especially more non techies, a lot would change but we’ll get there just slowly.
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I initially thiught you meant that you had to use commands in order to tinker with the UI - that’s my bad!
Wifi card, drivers, etc. can be a real pain. That’s neither linux or your fault. It’s just that noone prior to you wanted to use it and that’s why it wasn’t yet supported. Most systems are just plug and play. - compare it to macos, and you’ll find that linux is easy to install on most systems.
Auto mount is done using fstab right. Yoz xna also auto mount from the file explorer of the disk utility, it always depends on the system. There are a lot of different things and it’s not perfect.
Dual booting is in my opinion something for advanced people. I have no idea why anyone would ever suggest it to a newcomer! It’s pain in the ass if you deviate from the standard protocol.
Xou can double click on a shell script (.sh) by chmod +x file.sh or > right click > properties > exe as program
O no, tinkering with the ui is a delight, especially when compared to windows! I love the amount of customisation you get.
And yeah, dual booting can be a pain, I had to learn a lot more than I thought I did to get everything setup reasonably, unfortunately it’s also kind of a requirement for a lot of people who are thinking of swapping but need to give it a test drive first. I would have had a lot less issues without a dual boot, but I also need my computer for work so can’t really go all in until I’m sure I can do everything I need first.
Also yes I agree, I am really excited for the future of Linux, even just having been using it and reading and watching Linux content for a short time I can already sense it’s moving in a good direction. Very excited for wayland, not having different resolution scaling on different screens is another nitpick.
The first time I installed linux, I dual booted and never used linux because i just knew windows. The VM “Boxes” is incredibly easy to use. There’s barely any reason to boot windows on metal :D
Same sized screens for the win 😄
I use paperwm, no idea if I could even handle two screens with it 😅
I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to general lack in UX quality and lack of introduction for new users.
I have mived to use Linux exclusively for about 5 years now and whenever a teammember at work tries it, I have to give advice about once a day because of some cryptic info that has accumulated in my head and they couldn’t find through a 20minute internet search, to solve an endless stream of tiny issues.
It is an OS that I definitely could never recommend to people like my parents, which are by no means tech illiterate.
In regards to the specific point of launching .sh files:
On KDE Plasma I can double click sh files and a popup shows asking me whether I want to execute the program or edit the file in a text editor.
o, that’s weird, this one might actually just be user error then, haha. I’ll have to try again as I’m also using plasma.
I actually think it might be better for less tech literate people in some cases. Supposing it’s pre installed or they have someone to set things up for them. If you’re just using it to browse the web or write some documents the general experience is pretty good. It’s only when you start trying to do a bit more with it that things get complicated.
I have tried quite a few now. Fedora, Mint, Debian - none could detect my wifi card so I had to go do a bunch of googling to try and get them working, found what driver I needed but was never able to actually find out how to install it, other than some terminal commands in forums that didn’t end up working. I stuck with Endeavour OS because it detected it without any problems.
I have a keyboard that I configure with an online tool called via that requires something called hid. On windows it just works but on Endeavour I have to enable something through the terminal.
I have a shared data drive and in order to make it mount when I start the computer I had to go and edit some fstab file?
I couldn’t even figure out how to install a dual boot with with fedora and mint because it asked me about the root and home and swap and boot partitions and didn’t explain how to set any of them up or what they did.
I needed a program for work that wasn’t on a repository and I had to google howw to launch an .sh file because clicking doesn’t work haha. Also through the terminal.
I’m not saying these are crazy insurmountable problems, and windows definitely has some similar things, getting my tablet working was so much smoother on Linux for example. But I’ve had to learn so much more about how my computer works to actually use Linux and I’m just not sure the majority of people will have that patience.
I agree linux can be very difficult but easy as well if you do not have “exotic” needs. If more people were using linux, especially more non techies, a lot would change but we’ll get there just slowly.
to respond to your points
I initially thiught you meant that you had to use commands in order to tinker with the UI - that’s my bad!
Wifi card, drivers, etc. can be a real pain. That’s neither linux or your fault. It’s just that noone prior to you wanted to use it and that’s why it wasn’t yet supported. Most systems are just plug and play. - compare it to macos, and you’ll find that linux is easy to install on most systems.
Auto mount is done using fstab right. Yoz xna also auto mount from the file explorer of the disk utility, it always depends on the system. There are a lot of different things and it’s not perfect.
Dual booting is in my opinion something for advanced people. I have no idea why anyone would ever suggest it to a newcomer! It’s pain in the ass if you deviate from the standard protocol.
Xou can double click on a shell script (.sh) by
chmod +x file.shor > right click > properties > exe as programO no, tinkering with the ui is a delight, especially when compared to windows! I love the amount of customisation you get.
And yeah, dual booting can be a pain, I had to learn a lot more than I thought I did to get everything setup reasonably, unfortunately it’s also kind of a requirement for a lot of people who are thinking of swapping but need to give it a test drive first. I would have had a lot less issues without a dual boot, but I also need my computer for work so can’t really go all in until I’m sure I can do everything I need first.
Also yes I agree, I am really excited for the future of Linux, even just having been using it and reading and watching Linux content for a short time I can already sense it’s moving in a good direction. Very excited for wayland, not having different resolution scaling on different screens is another nitpick.
Virtual machines are incredibly useful for this.
The first time I installed linux, I dual booted and never used linux because i just knew windows. The VM “Boxes” is incredibly easy to use. There’s barely any reason to boot windows on metal :D
Same sized screens for the win 😄
I use paperwm, no idea if I could even handle two screens with it 😅
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I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to general lack in UX quality and lack of introduction for new users.
I have mived to use Linux exclusively for about 5 years now and whenever a teammember at work tries it, I have to give advice about once a day because of some cryptic info that has accumulated in my head and they couldn’t find through a 20minute internet search, to solve an endless stream of tiny issues.
It is an OS that I definitely could never recommend to people like my parents, which are by no means tech illiterate.
In regards to the specific point of launching .sh files:
On KDE Plasma I can double click sh files and a popup shows asking me whether I want to execute the program or edit the file in a text editor.
o, that’s weird, this one might actually just be user error then, haha. I’ll have to try again as I’m also using plasma.
I actually think it might be better for less tech literate people in some cases. Supposing it’s pre installed or they have someone to set things up for them. If you’re just using it to browse the web or write some documents the general experience is pretty good. It’s only when you start trying to do a bit more with it that things get complicated.
My father for example needs to digitally sign PDFs. And I mean properly, so that they becomes unchangable.
I wouldn’t say that this is a techy usecase, it is a rather frequent need for any adult in my country.
On windows it is so easy to set up while on Linux there is no solution at all.
So yeah, just browsing sadly wouldn’t cut it.