We’re in the 21st century, and the vast majority of us still believe in an utterly and obviously fictional creator deity. Plenty of people, even in developed countries with decent educational systems, still believe in ghosts or magic (e.g. voodoo). And I–an atheist and a skeptic–am told I need to respect these patently false beliefs as cultural traditions.

Fuck that. They’re bad cultural traditions, undeserving of respect. Child-proofing society for these intellectually stunted people doesn’t help them; it is in fact a disservice to them to pretend it’s okay to go through life believing these things. We should demand that people contend with reality on a factual basis by the time they reach adulthood (even earlier, if I’m being completely honest). We shouldn’t be coddling people who profess beliefs that are demonstrably false, simply because their feelings might get hurt.

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    So. There are maby definitions hm? Ok. Let’s cut the word out and just use the general consensus description of “gathering around under the same set of beliefs”. There can’t be any good coming out of that.

    As to youe other argument: And? What is your point here? You know of some “very common sky-daddies in Indo-European cultures” and such? And what about it? For many moons, people, who believed to see ghosts or have imaginary friends, were proclaimed mentally ill. Unless they call their imaginary friend the same like everyone else does. Then it’s sane.

    I’m no atheist. Atheism is the same ignorance as theism is. Just 180° turned around. I’m agnostic.

    Yet name one single good reason, why one should join ANY cult at all? No one happens to accidentally come to the same conclusions like e. G. The catholic church comes to and says “wow, they exactly believe what i belive. I shall joinn them”. It’s the other way round. It offers lazy or dumb or frightened and simple people an easy answer to everything. Not to be meant condescending, it’s just what it is.

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      Let’s cut the word out and just use the general consensus description of “gathering around under the same set of beliefs”. There can’t be any good coming out of that.

      So you can’t join sportsball teams (belief that the game is grand and the rules sensible), you can’t join a company (joint belief in, if nothing else, providing a certain thing and earning renumeration for it), you can’t join a choir because they all believe that singing is a thing that’s nice, you can’t even visit the cinema as others also believe that the movie is worth watching. You can’t join any political party. You certainly can’t be a metalhead.

      Generally speaking: You cannot, possibly, partake in society as you are unwilling to share a social contract with others.

      Please, just, fucking stop trying to defend your off-the-cuff definitions. At the least do some basic diligence and read this first.

      Yet name one single good reason, why one should join ANY cult at all?

      Have I ever said anything about joining any group? It’s you who brought up the topic, who blindly assumed that religion is necessarily a social activity.

      I’m no atheist. Atheism is the same ignorance as theism is. Just 180° turned around. I’m agnostic.

      That makes you more theological than me.