We’re in the 21st century, and the vast majority of us still believe in an utterly and obviously fictional creator deity. Plenty of people, even in developed countries with decent educational systems, still believe in ghosts or magic (e.g. voodoo). And I–an atheist and a skeptic–am told I need to respect these patently false beliefs as cultural traditions.

Fuck that. They’re bad cultural traditions, undeserving of respect. Child-proofing society for these intellectually stunted people doesn’t help them; it is in fact a disservice to them to pretend it’s okay to go through life believing these things. We should demand that people contend with reality on a factual basis by the time they reach adulthood (even earlier, if I’m being completely honest). We shouldn’t be coddling people who profess beliefs that are demonstrably false, simply because their feelings might get hurt.

  • DarthFreyr@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I’m really not seeing the flow from claiming that basically “selective breeding [some sense of eugenics] could result in biological changes in humans as it does in other animals” to being a proponent for eugenics in either a moral or policy sense. There was an naked counterclaim that it wouldn’t work, but honestly that’s immaterial to my first sentence, and I don’t know that I believe it either. Could you create an overall biologically “better” human? Dubious, if you could define such a thing in the first place. Could you create a human with superior moral or intrinsic value? Definitely not.

    It’s certainly a completely bonkers statement to drop out of nowhere. There’s no context given in that article nor in a few others I found, but I don’t think it’s unfair to assume there was some sort of context or trigger.

    There was a apparently another statement about abortion and Down’s that IMO just reads like an amateurish attempt at using absolute utilitarianism to make a profound, off-the-cuff observation based on a pretty ignorant set of assumptions. Yes, it’s a stupid statement that makes a pretty generic argument for eugenics with other assumptions, but the core claim of “an action that causes net negative happiness in the world is immoral” is, strictly speaking, not morally indefensible. There is a correcting of facts required, but essentially the same logic is used for the fairly non-controversial (as any abortion, at least) termination of a pregnancy that would only result in suffering and a dead baby. Correcting facts is, I think, much less substantial than correcting thinking.

    Is there anything else substantial I didn’t see? To use just this as a basis for a declaration of “open eugenicist”, to me, just dilutes very powerful terminology that I’m sure many people definitely fit.

    Also, as a side note, some of the takes in some counter-articles were absolutely wild. If your position is that (even if you don’t recognize it yourself) “Gee honey, I don’t think we’re in a financial position to try for another baby” is eugenics, it’s hard to believe there is actual meaning behind any string of words you manage to get out.