I apologize for making two comments in a row defending Piker, but I really don’t think Piker is platforming a big newspaper like Haaretz in this situation. Aside from problems in his message that are true wherever he gives it, it’s generally good to go on reactionary major media platforms to be able to present your arguments to their audience. If it was some tiny zionist rag, then of course he shouldn’t go there and give them air, but this is not that situation.
If he was using it to argue anti-Nazi points as he is arguing antizionist points here, literally yes, but I’m not sure that the comparison makes sense because I don’t think Der Sturmer would print it, just as I don’t think most of the other major Israeli newspapers would print this interview.
I read the interview and it has a lot of silly Zionist editorializing, but I think Hasan correctly estimated that it would allow him to present his case, even to the incredulity of both the narratorial and interviewing voice. I don’t think the fact that there would ve Zionist editorializing is a reason not to do it so, that’s what most of their articles have anyway, what their audience is reading anyway, the main difference is that what most of their audience does not get from the paper most of the time is people giving simple, clear descriptions of why Israel is a fundamentally malignant project.
So did a lot of self proclaimed leftists, it was clearly a tactical error but I don’t see that as evidence of him becoming more reactionary. Platner’s platform by itself wasn’t more reactionary than AOC’s or any other mediocre socdem candidate. It’s not exactly the first time he glazed a bad candidate, he gets caught up in electoralist bullshit regularly.
nobody should have supported a 4-time troop let alone a blackwater merc. and that was known before the reddit stuff, the tattoo, or the sex crimes against white women.
“uhh who’s similar to the Neo Nazi SAer who did 4 tours in Afghanistan and Iraq? let me think of the first brown liberal I could remember”
Fuck AOC for being a lib, fuck her for talking about “defensive weapons of israel”, but she wasn’t on the field bombing Afghan kids, she doesn’t having Nazi tattoos on her, she’s not even remotely comparable to Captain Swastika over here
I will once again mention that the two fart joke white boys on “your kickstarter sucks” had and has a better and more consistent opinion on platner than the self proclaimed leftists you mention.
“If you’re fooled by this guy you gotta go take a lap.”
He is probably only going to be more reactionary, but it’s because of the DNC, not fucking Haaretz. Why would Haaretz convince him of anything? They just gave the same dogwater talking points that he has been refuting for years.
What is this framing? Piker isn’t “platforming” a newspaper? Huh? So anything he does to get MORE clout is automatically okay?
It’s generally good
That depends on what you’re going on there to say, Hasan is a democrat reformist who has said he is interested in getting more fans in Israel. The mind boggles at the possibilities there. He’s not exactly Marandi, who is pretty lackluster himself being a Western educated liberal.
How are you people still different from Jackson Hinkle? At least that fed goes to Yemen instead of just Facetiming them.
I apologize for making two comments in a row defending Piker, but I really don’t think Piker is platforming a big newspaper like Haaretz in this situation. Aside from problems in his message that are true wherever he gives it, it’s generally good to go on reactionary major media platforms to be able to present your arguments to their audience. If it was some tiny zionist rag, then of course he shouldn’t go there and give them air, but this is not that situation.
You can’t beat someone on their turf where they make up the rules.
Hasan on Der Sturmer
If he was using it to argue anti-Nazi points as he is arguing antizionist points here, literally yes, but I’m not sure that the comparison makes sense because I don’t think Der Sturmer would print it, just as I don’t think most of the other major Israeli newspapers would print this interview.
I read the interview and it has a lot of silly Zionist editorializing, but I think Hasan correctly estimated that it would allow him to present his case, even to the incredulity of both the narratorial and interviewing voice. I don’t think the fact that there would ve Zionist editorializing is a reason not to do it so, that’s what most of their articles have anyway, what their audience is reading anyway, the main difference is that what most of their audience does not get from the paper most of the time is people giving simple, clear descriptions of why Israel is a fundamentally malignant project.
he is going there, to be convinced by the right wingers, he is becoming more reactionary and not the otherway around
how? He was always kind of a radlib but I don’t really see a shift in his tone.
a few months ago he was supporting a Nazi war criminal SAer candidate
So did a lot of self proclaimed leftists, it was clearly a tactical error but I don’t see that as evidence of him becoming more reactionary. Platner’s platform by itself wasn’t more reactionary than AOC’s or any other mediocre socdem candidate. It’s not exactly the first time he glazed a bad candidate, he gets caught up in electoralist bullshit regularly.
the tactical error of platforming a nazi, get out
It was not just a tactical error, it was an ideological error. Candidates are much more than what they had someone write on their policy page.
nobody should have supported a 4-time troop let alone a blackwater merc. and that was known before the reddit stuff, the tattoo, or the sex crimes against white women.
It was more about the incredibly heinous public personal history which could and would have been rejected by anyone with a shred of principle.
has AOC called for expanding the US military?
“uhh who’s similar to the Neo Nazi SAer who did 4 tours in Afghanistan and Iraq? let me think of the first brown liberal I could remember”
Fuck AOC for being a lib, fuck her for talking about “defensive weapons of israel”, but she wasn’t on the field bombing Afghan kids, she doesn’t having Nazi tattoos on her, she’s not even remotely comparable to Captain Swastika over here
I will once again mention that the two fart joke white boys on “your kickstarter sucks” had and has a better and more consistent opinion on platner than the self proclaimed leftists you mention.
“If you’re fooled by this guy you gotta go take a lap.”
He is probably only going to be more reactionary, but it’s because of the DNC, not fucking Haaretz. Why would Haaretz convince him of anything? They just gave the same dogwater talking points that he has been refuting for years.
What is this framing? Piker isn’t “platforming” a newspaper? Huh? So anything he does to get MORE clout is automatically okay?
That depends on what you’re going on there to say, Hasan is a democrat reformist who has said he is interested in getting more fans in Israel. The mind boggles at the possibilities there. He’s not exactly Marandi, who is pretty lackluster himself being a Western educated liberal.
How are you people still different from Jackson Hinkle? At least that fed goes to Yemen instead of just Facetiming them.