since people are upset with the NYPost article…
“With today’s guilty plea, Mr. Mangione has accepted full responsibility for the death of Brian Thompson,” Karen Friedman Agnifilo, Mangione’s attorney, said during a press conference outside the courthouse.
“On the morning of Dec. 4, 2024, I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan, and he died,” Mangione told the court, according to The Associated Press.
With the obvious caveat that I’m not a lawyer and this is my opinion - The only way this makes any sense to me is if Luigi wants to become a martyr.
There’s no way he’s going to get any sort of leniency - he killed a wealthy person. The search, Luigi’s arrest, and the trial have all been a performative farce; an attempt to dissuade anybody else from getting the same idea. They aren’t going to stop just because he pled guilty.
They straight up say that in the article:
“Mangione attempted to send a public message through violence, but the message that emerges today is very different,” McDonald said. “Violence is not a legitimate instrument to promote any political or social message, and those who resort to violence in an effort to advance their beliefs will be prosecuted.”
“Violence is not a legitimate instrument to promote any political or social message, and those who resort to violence in an effort to advance their beliefs will be prosecuted.”
So about ICE…
“Violence is only for us to use. You peasants don’t get to use it against us.”
So about our healthcare system that condemns you to death for the crime of having not only too little money for treatment, but too little money for the profit margin…
If we ever get our Nuremberg trials, then yes ICE.
Violence is not the answer!
But also we want to seek the death penalty.
Unless they are the government, of course.
“While the defendant pled guilty, our office does not have a plea agreement with him,” the U.S. attorney said. “There are no accommodations or concessions, and we are free to seek the maximum penalty under the law.”
There wasn’t any plea deal in place, he (in consultation with his lawyers) probably figured this was the best path for him to possibly not get a life sentence. It’s as simple as that.
Whats the maximum for stalking? That’s what he plead guilty to right?
For federal stalking, up to life in prison.
The big thing with this plea though is that NY state has a double jeopardy law. If the federal case is resolved first (which it is with this plea), the NY murder case gets dropped under double jeopardy since the charges stem from the same action.
The reverse is not true though. If he went to trial and the state case progressed, he could be convicted of murder at the state level, and then still for these charges at the federal level. SCOTUS has held that charges in different jurisdictions, like state and federal, do not violate the double jeopardy clause of the constitution. Even for the exact same charges.
And if convicted at the state level and federal level, if the federal case ever got overturned on appeal, he’d just go right to state prison to start that sentence. The Feds have supremacy though so he’d go to federal prison first regardless.
This removes the state case.
What are the appeal options after a guilty plea in this instance?
…why? why do this? the article didn’t seem to explain
My completely uneducated guess is that he and/or his lawyers know hes screwed no matter how innocent, and so the best option is to take a plea deal
It’s a legal strategy so they can claim double jeopardy for the state charges.
The feds were dumb because they only went after the stalking charges.
Some legal experts expect the double jeopardy attempt to be struck down because of how much popularity this has and we all know courts are easily manipulated by politics and money these days.
You can’t claim double jeopardy for duplications of state and federal charges, it’s already been settled that because of the dual sovereignty doctrine it does not conflict with the 5th amendment.
Yes you can. It’s a NY state specific law.
The reverse isn’t true, like you state though. This is just specific to NY only.
That can’t be it. You can commit multiple crimes in one act, and state and federal murder are separate crimes (federal involves crossing state lines, or something else that gives them jurisdiction). My guess is it was their last chance for a plea deal.
New York has a state specific double jeopardy law that would apply here. Charges at the federal level that stem from the same action are double jeopardy is also charged at the state level.
So if he pleads in the federal case, the state charges will be dropped. If he pleads at the state level though, the federal charges still stay.
Really, even though he’s pleading to the stalking charges, not murder? They can’t try him for that in New York?
NY prosecutors are disputing this. We certainly have not heard the last of it.
If not for the provision against cruel and unusual punishments, Mangione would have absolutely gotten drawn and quartered as a form of public chastisement
