I’m glad MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml gets it now but I still don’t know if I fully understand. you’re saying that because these protests are insisting on being all peaceful and not threatening that means they are just showing our enemies the powerful bourgeoisie that the people have no teeth. right? but how does that mean they are against solidarity? because the protests are peaceful that means the people participating in them are not willing to stand up with force against ICE? how would you say that the the protests should be conducted?
I’m not arguing, I really don’t know what my position is on the protests being a good thing or a bad thing.
You guys, I’m not gonna flip out, you don’t have to apologize for asking clarifying questions after the incoherent diatribes where I try condense too much into a few sentences, or reassure me we are not fighting, most of the people on this app instantaneously call me tankie Hitler, we are all gazpacho. We are all gucci… I don’t know why Meow said that, I don’t put anything particularly well. I am just astonished certain points are not already raised.
I think my acquaintance Mischa on the garbage takes app put it well: the liberal nonviolence playbook is all about giving up your leverage, it sn’t improved by mixing in guns or disorganized violence, because that just adds risk to symbolic actions.
Effective action like striking requires far more concerted organization than “show up to this parade to state your grievances and be ignored while we show off the headcount and advertise the democratic party”. Striking not just like the longshoremen to raise their wages in their practically hereditary org, but striking for the whole working class, declassed workers, migrant workers. The defense of part of the working class is denounced by these protests. “They hate us even though we don’t strike against DHS forces!” They take no action against DHS kidnapping despite already being aggressed upon. Coast is clear. Nothing but blue no matter who in sight. Another generation of Free Speech Zone protests to be forgotten and repeated.
I’m glad MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml gets it now but I still don’t know if I fully understand. you’re saying that because these protests are insisting on being all peaceful and not threatening that means they are just showing our enemies the powerful bourgeoisie that the people have no teeth. right? but how does that mean they are against solidarity? because the protests are peaceful that means the people participating in them are not willing to stand up with force against ICE? how would you say that the the protests should be conducted?
I’m not arguing, I really don’t know what my position is on the protests being a good thing or a bad thing.
You guys, I’m not gonna flip out, you don’t have to apologize for asking clarifying questions after the incoherent diatribes where I try condense too much into a few sentences, or reassure me we are not fighting, most of the people on this app instantaneously call me tankie Hitler, we are all gazpacho. We are all gucci… I don’t know why Meow said that, I don’t put anything particularly well. I am just astonished certain points are not already raised.
I think my acquaintance Mischa on the garbage takes app put it well: the liberal nonviolence playbook is all about giving up your leverage, it sn’t improved by mixing in guns or disorganized violence, because that just adds risk to symbolic actions.
Effective action like striking requires far more concerted organization than “show up to this parade to state your grievances and be ignored while we show off the headcount and advertise the democratic party”. Striking not just like the longshoremen to raise their wages in their practically hereditary org, but striking for the whole working class, declassed workers, migrant workers. The defense of part of the working class is denounced by these protests. “They hate us even though we don’t strike against DHS forces!” They take no action against DHS kidnapping despite already being aggressed upon. Coast is clear. Nothing but blue no matter who in sight. Another generation of Free Speech Zone protests to be forgotten and repeated.