• go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    How are you not making the connection that Trump back in office is a direct result of Joe Biden’s [lack of] leadership when it was desperately needed?

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      4 months ago

      It’s apparent. I think the left while more principled than the right doesn’t think strategically like the right. The right shows up consistently for their agenda of hate and disenfranchisement. Meanwhile, we are willing to let it all go to hell if it means having to suffer someone we don’t agree with 95%+ because then they’re just as bad as the other person.

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        4 months ago

        The right shows up because they have funding from billionaires that allows them to be bussed in to the capital en masse, get legal funds covered, influencers get paid to spread fascism all over social media. The left doesn’t have the funding in the west like the fascist billionaires give to the right.

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          4 months ago

          This is recent though. The modern right galvanized on deregulation, abortion, undoing “entitlements,” and civil rights advances in the 70s-80s and showed up consistently since then at local, state and federal elections in pursuit of that. Leftists show up if they like someone and won’t if they don’t. Or at least this is my observation from living in red vs blue areas. I will concede with you though that not having funding is a relative weakness of ours and has also played a role in shaping our current environment.

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        4 months ago

        if it means having to suffer someone we don’t agree with 95%+

        You agree with someone who supports genocide 95%? I sure as hell don’t.

        Trivializing important issues doesn’t make your point.

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          4 months ago

          Genocide – by which I assume you singularly mean Palestine as I doubt you care as much about other ones going on (e.g.in Sudan, Myanmar) – is not the only issue. (And before you insinuate I don’t care about Gaza, I donate to organizations that provide aid there as well as other international crises as the war in the DRC, etc.) There’s other important issues like climate change, dismantling the prison industrial complex, restoring reproductive rights, healthcare reform, reigning in the surveillance techbros, etc. I assume you support at least the majority of these. These are all ‘important issues’ and losing ground on these has the potential to harm millions domestically and abroad.

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              4 months ago

              As with the other commenter, I doubt you care about the genocide in Sudan or Myanmar and singularly mean Palestine. After all, we POC here in the States are so clearly expendable to you why would you care about most other POC abroad? With Palestine you get to meme on Israel all day (which is where the caring starts and ends as the online left is so averse to putting in work to effect change but somehow expect to win a revolution someday lol). With Sudan, Myanmar, there’s no reward from that as there’s no state with near the notoriety of Israel to meme on and it’s not like you’re going to actually put in work so why bother?

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                Genocides are bad. Your tax money and weapons of mass destruction are being used to systematically eradicate one particular people. I do care about Sudan and Myanmar, as I said all genocides are bad, the only difference is that YOU are directly responsible for Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran. Does that help clear things up?