A national effort to circumvent the Electoral College has gained another state.

Virginia Gov. Abigail Spanberger signed a bill Monday that adds the state to the National Popular Vote Compact, an agreement among states to award their presidential electoral votes to the nationwide popular vote winner.

With Virginia, the total number of states signed on to the interstate compact is now 18, plus the District of Columbia, for a total of 222 electoral votes.

The compact doesn’t go into effect, though, until there are enough states signed up to reach the required 270 electoral votes to elect a president.

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    Finally some honest to God traction. The electoral college is the dumbest fucking thing to ever become a thing. Next up, ranked choice voting.

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      Many places are actively outlawing RCV ahead of time, because they know it would chip away at their duopoly. Mainly they’re doing it in Republican places because they know they can never win on a fair play field, but there are a surprising amount of Democrats against RCV.

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        but there are a surprising amount of Democrats against RCV.

        Why is it surprising? RCV threatens their power just as much as the GOP’s.

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      The electoral college is the dumbest fucking thing to ever become a thing

      The original US system was designed to limit democratic input as much as possible. The EC is a holdover from a time when we thought Senators shouldn’t be directly elected to begin with and only white male land owners should be afforded a vote. It was warmed over liberalized feudalism on its best days.

      Next up, ranked choice voting.

      I like ranked choice by-and-large. But I think the super-massive 700k person House seats and the two-Senator state seats are a bigger problem overall. Our voting districts are so enormous that only celebrities, millionaires, and deep party insiders can operate within the system. That strangled control of the bureaucracy affords phenomenal amounts of control to unelected party officials and entrenched partisan leadership.

      Keep in mind that ranked choice voting gave us Eric Adams in NYC. It does nothing to guarantee quality candidates.

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        The EC is a holdover from a time when we thought Senators shouldn’t be directly elected to begin with and only white male land owners should be afforded a vote.

        Ignoring the racist and patriarchal solution they came up with, it’s hard to disagree with their conclusion that average people don’t make for a reliable voting population. It seems that 1/3 of the population doesn’t give a shit about anything, 1/3 is certifiably insane, and 1/3 put in a reasonable amount of effort to understand the issues and proposed solutions. Statistically speaking, that makes straight up democracy sound like a terrible idea.

        There’s probably a better solution to that particular problem than we’ve tried, but I don’t know how you can address it without creating a system just begging to be abused.

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          Ignoring the racist and patriarchal solution they came up with, it’s hard to disagree with their conclusion that average people don’t make for a reliable voting population.

          “Average people” aren’t voting.

          Profile of Voters vs. Non-Voters

          Whites, Christians, partisans, and the elderly are all over-represented in the official election day tally. Education level, wealth, suburban/rural populations, and married households are also disproportionately represented. And that’s before you weight the ECs by state population. The state of Wyoming - population 587k - enjoys 3 ECs to California - population 40M - and its 54 ECs. That’s 3.5x the weighted representation per citizen.

          To say “the founders were right to structurally exclude 80% of public and then disproportionately represent the rural backwaters against the urban core because voters are dumb”, you need some really funky understanding of what constitutes a functional elected bureaucracy.

          It should further be noted that the Founding Fathers generation of Presidents and Legislators largely sucked. They were genocidal both with respect to their First Nation’s neighbors and their ethnically homogeneous neighbors. They accelerated the slave trade directly into a civil war while telling themselves it was going to die out. They inflicted nightmarish ecological harms to their local agriculture via excessive tobacco farming. Their fiscal policy was a forty year long trainwreck, culminating in Andrew Jackson and a generation of cyclical depressions.

          It seems that 1/3 of the population doesn’t give a shit about anything, 1/3 is certifiably insane, and 1/3 put in a reasonable amount of effort to understand the issues and proposed solutions.

          None of that is true, though. It’s just back-of-the-envelop vibes math.

          What you have is serial nationalist indoctrination at the primary school level, mass media misinformation straight from secondary school to retirement, and a partisan political economy that thrives on pitting half the labor force against the other half through “wedge issue” campaigns.

          “Oh, well, these people are just crazy” is the lazy man’s analysis of someone with divergent priors and media diet. For the most part, they’re using the same logical fundamentals as you are, they’ve just got different inputs. Similarly, “these people don’t give a shit” is a casual off-the-cuff response aimed at a population that is chronically overworked, underpaid, and routinely rug-pulled.

          Consider who is actually on the ballot in some of these races and you might understand why folks express apathy. When campaigns boil down to a bunch of personal attacks between two corporate hacks who hold all the same policy positions, what you’re voting in is barely more than a vanity contest.

          I don’t know how you can address it without creating a system just begging to be abused.

          Systems beget abuse when they allow for power imbalances between haves and have-nots. This is particularly true when quality of life is predicated on being in the first group over the second.

          At some point, the only system that is beyond abuse is one that holds the least person in it as an equal to everyone else. But it is very easy to agitate against such a model when you are able-bodied, property owning, and racially in-group, while the person you’re profiteering off of is not.

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      Is that just the blue vs red map? Maybe I’m overlooking something, but I don’t see any red states on board.

      And of course they wouldn’t be, between the capped electoral votes, the capped size of the House, and the setup of the Senate gives red land too much voting power.

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      it’s in the last sentence of the summary. 270 essentially guarantees that the winner of the popular vote becomes POTUS, as long as all states in the compact abide by the agreement. Once that happens, the EC is basically defunct.

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          Because without 270 votes, this could result in states that sign having even less impact, resulting in them not signing. As an example, imagine it goes into effect immediately. Now as a candidate, you have two options.

          Option 1: Campaign and make promises in a state that signed and the only thing you get is more overall voters to win the popular vote and therefore the electors of states that signed. But winning the popular vote is not enough. You still need electors from other states.

          Option 2: Campaign and make promises in states that did not sign. Convincing voters here not only gives you votes for the popular vote, but also for the states electors. So you gain votes both towards the electors of states that signed and this state that didn’t.

          Now where would you campaign and make promises?

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          If they enact it early it would be effectively dead in the water because it would still leave the decision up to swing states, and people would lose confidence in the movement. Holding off until it’s a sure thing gives it a whole lot more power.

          Either way, it’s still a couple more years until the next general election cycle spins up, they may have it locked in by then.

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    should we be scared at all that they could fudge the popular vote enough to use this against us, or is the electoral college scarier?

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      The electoral college is how Dipshit McOrange has squeaked by into 2 presidencies. In fact, it’s how most Republicans make it into the Oval Office. It’s also a distinctly awful holdover from the age of slavery, and was used to disenfranchise those who didn’t own slaves.

      It’s long past time to get rid of it.

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        Trump won the popular vote the second time by 2.3 million votes, sadly this wouldn’t have saved us a second term. Well maybe it would have if losing the first time ended his attempts